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Want to solve the so called illegal Hispanic immigration problem? Crack down on those who are gladly breaking their own country's law by doing the hiring. As long as there are AMERICANS who value profit more than they value their own country's laws and continue to illegally hire people they aren't supposed to because it's illegal to do so, the situation will continue.
By the way, those doing the illegal hiring aren't threatened with starvation if they obey our cherished country's laws by not hiring illegally. They simply won't make as much of a profit as they are doing by illegal hiring. But since they are unwilling to make less while they can make much more by simply ignoring their beloved country's laws and hiring illegally they will continue to hire illegally confident that the full blame for the situation will be placed conveniently on the backs of those being illegally hired.
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Weird! You don't see the self-appointed anti-immigration crusader Dobbs becoming irate against these who have a duty as Americans to abide by the country's laws but who shamelessly prefer to do business illegally for a profit.
I'll start off with this disclaimer. I respect anyone that is willing to bust their butt to better themself and/or give their family a decent living.
I don't like seeing our country overrun by illegal immigrants. I believe the answer lies in better border control and a lot more enforcement of the employers hiring them. Like a previous poster mentioned, many of these people are paid on a daily basis - in cash. The state isn't receiving any withholding, the worker isn't entitled to any worker's compensation or unemployment benefits. They are working without a safety net.
I would like to see a viable worker program. I doubt however, that many of the employers using illegals will go for it, though. If they become legal, then they will have to pay FICA, State witholding & medicare taxes. They'll need a bookkeeper to keep it straight, higher bank fees to process the payroll checks. So much easier and cheaper to keep a roll of 20s in your pocket and pay at the end of the day.
Excon & Fr_Chuck: Just because someone uses the word "them" or "they" doesn't mean it's derogatory or that we lack compassion.
Excon: Lou Dobbs? Are you for real? Do you honestly think that I'm brainwashed by the media --because I can see what's going on right here in front of my eyes.
There are no easy answers to this but our country is going to eventually break. We can't constantly give and give and not receive anything back. They are plenty of people that have come here legally and make contributions to this country.
Excon & Fr_Chuck: We can't constantly give and give and not receive anything back. They are plenty of people that have come here legally and make contributions to this country.
Receive NOTHING back?
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The fact is that the benefits of illegal immigration — larger labor pool, lower inflation, higher levels of productivity — are felt at the national level and so dispersed as to be generally imperceptible.
Want to solve the so called illegal Hispanic immigration problem? Crack down on those who are gladly breaking their own country's law by doing the hiring. As long as there are AMERICANS who value profit more than they value their own country's laws and continue to illegally hire people they aren't supposed to because it's illegal to do so, the situation will continue.
By the way, those doing the illegal hiring aren't threatened with starvation if they obey our cherished country's laws by not hiring illegally. They simply won't make as much of a profit as they are doing by illegal hiring. But since they are unwilling to make less while they can make much more by simply ignoring their beloved country's laws and hiring illegally they will continue to hire illegally confident that the full blame for the situation will be placed conveniently on the backs of those being illegally hired.
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Weird! You don't see the self-appointed anti-immigration crusader Dobbs becoming irate against these who have a duty as Americans to abide by the country's laws but who shamelessly prefer to do business illegally for a profit.
Some in the media are absolutely incorrect when they claim illegals are not giving to the system. Some posts simply reflect the fact that the average American does not have a basic understanding of economics.
If a business spends millions in labor each year and sets some aside for profit and some aside to lower its prices, you, the middle class pontificator, are getting your lifestlye subsidized by below market labor. Also, if a business saves millions in labor costs and keeps it as profit, they are paying taxes at a CORPORATE tax rate, which is way higher than a poor person's indiviual tax rate. Your bottom line is that everything you buy is cheaper because of immigrants being all around the supply chain and your taxes are lower.
The uneducated in this country buy into fear mongering about immigrants. The US government collects a lot more tax revenue by taxing the corporations savings on labor than the immigrant's labor taxes would have been. So now you get to shop at Wal-Mart a little cheaper, and your income taxes are lower.
Before you post about what you see on TV, read a book or two on the topic and educate yourself. The real agenda of Bill Oreilly and the other people you watch on Fox News is racism, because the economic arguments are pro immigrant. Sounds like you get a lot of info from TV...
As far as Bank of America is concerned, try paying Western Union a devastating percentage of your income to give it to a family that would starve otherwise. Bank of America's credit products are humanitarian and progressive. Immigrants are not the only audience for accessable credit products. What they are doing is nothing short of buying in to cutting edge economics research that shows micro credit can have a profund impact on the US underclass. BOA should lauded for their humanitarian efforts, which existed long before these new credit products.
So, smart guys, do we deny the underpriveledged citizens of this country credit because you have a beef with Mexicans? When you buy the lettuce at the grocery store, it is picked by an immigrant who has already had his taxes taken out under an assumed social security number. Now he has to sell his soul to Western Union to feed his family while you are feeding your face with lettuce you got from the bargain bin. Now that you your mouth is full of lettuce, you start babbling on and on about the leeches from Mexico. Stop watching TV and start doing a little reading.
When you are done kicking all the Mexicans out, who are you going to kick out next? Will it be the Chinese or people from India. Are you going to start claiming that they should not have slots open for them at universtities because all the midddle class in the US can't compete on their own terms? Do you feel robbed because your job working as a bus boy was taken by a Mexican? When you are done throwing them out of the country, will you put on the apron and start collecting dishes from dirty tables, or are you just a middle class consumer of the fear mongering people use to get elected to office?
Some in the media are absolutely incorrect when they claim illegals are not giving to the system. Some posts simply reflect the fact that the average American does not have a basic understanding of economics.
If a business spends millions in labor each year and sets some aside for profit and some aside to lower its prices, you, the middle class pontificator, are getting your lifestlye subsidized by below market labor. Also, if a business saves millions in labor costs and keeps it as profit, they are paying taxes at a CORPORATE tax rate, which is way higher than a poor person's indiviual tax rate. Your bottom line is that everything you buy is cheaper because of immigrants being all around the supply chain and your taxes are lower.
The uneducated in this country buy into fear mongering about immigrants. The US government collects a lot more tax revenue by taxing the corporations savings on labor than the immigrant's labor taxes would have been. So now you get to shop at Wal-Mart a little cheaper, and your income taxes are lower....
My post was not intended as an attack against the immigrants. It was intended as a reminder that those doing the hiring and those allowing them to hire are cooperating.
So why all the anger against the immigrants who are merely going with the policy flow? [no pun intended] That was what I was trying to say.
The fact is that the benefits of illegal immigration — larger labor pool, lower inflation, higher levels of productivity — are felt at the national level and so dispersed as to be generally imperceptible.
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I have no problem with Hispanics. Those who want to become citizens and contribute are very welcome. I visited some of the links you mentioned and though I didn't see any proof that any of the men I read about, mostly Medal of Honor recipients, were probably English speaking, and had either already obtained citizenship or were about to.
The big white elephant in the middle of the room is : are the ones who sneak over the border, through fences and over walls (that should have been a message), assault armed border patrol officers, are they the ones "fitting in?" Are they wanting to contribute? What about other nationalities (read: terrorists) coming here the same way? Do you not think something needs to be done to stop that?
Gee okay, I'll try to take off my dunce hat to write this seeing how I'm uneducated and need to read a book. As far as Lou Dobbs & O'Reilly, don't flatter yourself, don't watch either one of them.
As far as Mexican being "leeches" -- I don't think anyone called them that. Love the twist in words.
I've been to Mexico many many times, have actually lived pretty close to the border. My family has supported Mexican orphanges and give to a multitude of charities. Its a devastating situation when families are living in carboard boxes, children are begging in the streets caked in dirt, moms selling bits of gum for 25 cents a piece, dogs strewn all over the streets dead from starvation, tainted water, corrupt government, shall I go on?
Truth be known, I'd probably high tale it the US too if I had to live like that.
What about us people smacking on our low cost lettuce? I didn't chose the people to pick it. Farmers did. Farmers and employers like them are the enablers. I think it's a crime to pay illegals the wages that they do -- expect them to live in squaller, leaving them with no choice but to provide fraudulent documents. Because of that, now, the US provides food stamps, Headstart programs, welfare, medical care. Is that what you support? I don't. I couldn't stand in a field all day picking food and getting paid crap. Sounds like your attitude is "someone's doing it, they need the money anyway and it's good for our economy". That's a bunch of bull. Stop the illegal hiring. Stop taking advantage of illegals. Come down on the corrupt Mexican government and make them accountable for their citizens. Help our neighbors stand on their feet and be proud of their country again.
Gogosean: Yep. I have access to a small farmers market. Guess who picked it? Nope... not the farmer. Also, not all cities or states have farmers markets.
But I hardly think buying a head a lettuce at the farmers market is going save us. I know, I know, you're going to say its a start and we've got to start somewhere. You want to resolve this from the bottom up ... when we need to start at the top.
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