Want to solve the so called illegal Hispanic immigration problem? Crack down on those who are gladly breaking their own country's law by doing the hiring. As long as there are AMERICANS who value profit more than they value their own country's laws and continue to illegally hire people they aren't supposed to because it's illegal to do so, the situation will continue.

By the way, those doing the illegal hiring aren't threatened with starvation if they obey our cherished country's laws by not hiring illegally. They simply won't make as much of a profit as they are doing by illegal hiring. But since they are unwilling to make less while they can make much more by simply ignoring their beloved country's laws and hiring illegally they will continue to hire illegally confident that the full blame for the situation will be placed conveniently on the backs of those being illegally hired.

BTW
Weird! You don't see the self-appointed anti-immigration crusader Dobbs becoming irate against these who have a duty as Americans to abide by the country's laws but who shamelessly prefer to do business illegally for a profit.

gogosean

AW805 suggests starting at the top. Where is the top? We used to have money in the bank before GW's tax cuts and false pretenses of national security had to be financed. The US government really isn't even trying to fix this. Look at how the feds handled Katrina. I think it is very kind of you to still have faith in those at the TOP, but where are they? They are doing photo ops in safe zones in the middle east while many of our loved ones are asking where the hell their body armour is. Maybe it got stuck in an immigrant's sewing machine. Maybe the overseas sweatshops are falling behind filling all the jobs that have moved overseas. What happened to the jobs that count? They didn't go to immigrants. They went to trading partners.

Starman

Yes, I think that unrestricted border entries are not a good idea because of the criminal elements such as terroirists that can infiltrate. I simply don't think, however, that all the anger should be directed at the immigrants like Dobbs regularly does.

Those who took part in the Revolutionary War under General Galvez weren't USA citizens.


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The following is excerpted from an article written by Lt J.D. Ortiz CHC, USNR. NTC Chaplain..

"Through the years, Hispanic American citizens have risen to the call of duty in defense of liberty and freedom. Their bravery is well known and has been demonstrated time and again, dating back to the aid rendered by General Bernardo de Galvez during the American Revolution".

-President Ronald Reagan

Few Americans are aware that Bernardo de Galvez was the Spanish governor of the Louisiana territory that encompassed 13 of our present states. They are also unaware that long before any formal declaration of war, General Galvez sent gunpowder, rifles, bullets, blankets, medicine and other supplies to the armies of General George Washington and General George Rogers Clark. Once Spain entered the war against Great Britain in 1779, this dashing young officer raised an army in New Orleans and drove the British out of the Gulf of Mexico. General Galvez captured five British forts in the Lower Mississippi Valley. They repelled a British and Indian attack in St. Louis, Missouri and captured the British fort of St. Joseph in present-day Niles, Michigan. With reinforcements from Cuba, Mexico, Puerto Rico, General Galvez captured Mobile and Pensacola, the capital of the British colony of West Florida. At Pensacola, Galvez commanded a multinational army of over 7,000 black and whitesoldiers. These men were born in Spain, Cuba, Mexico, Puerto Rico, Hispanola, and other Spanish colonies such as Venezuela. The city was defended by a British and Indian army of 2,500 soldiers and British warships.

An American historian called the siege of Pensacola "a decisive factor in the outcome of the Revolution and one of the most brilliantly executed battles of the war." Another historian stated that General Galvez' campaign broke the British will to fight. This battle ended in May 1781, just five months before the final battle of the war at Yorktown.

General Bernardo de Galvez and his contributions have been remembered even to this day with statues and even a city named in his honor, Galveston, Texas.

United States history textbooks seldom mention the important contributions by our "forgotten allies," Spain and Hispanic America, during the American Revolution. They also forget that they helped in the establishment and growth of the first democracy in the modern world.
The neglect in reporting Hispanic contributions extends to all periods of American history. Textbooks also fail to mention the role of 10,000 Hispanic soldiers who fought on both sides of the Civil War.

Role of General Bernando Galvez in the American Revolution



BTW
When you visit Hispanic sites and they mention contributions, what kind of proof do you require in order to be convinced that they aren't lying? Just curious.

Puerto Ricans in NASA - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

CaptainRich

If tomorrow, maybe when I post this banter... Suppose first thing tommorow, no more illegal Mexican's came over. What if they, collectively, said, "They're right. We don't belong." And their assault on our border is done. Re : my white elephant... Who's gonna stop the next wave to flood the weakness? The next wave of problems. Some say we shouldn't be in Baghdad. I say better Baghdad than Boston! We have a problem realizing that concept as a nation, party divided. That's just dumb.

excon

Hello again, Captain:

Who's gonna come over next??? Well somebody because that lettuce is going to be picked by someone. And, if we don't let legal workers in to pick it, illegal ones will.

I think your post explains your fundamental misunderstanding of the problem. You think the Mexicans are coming here as a political statement or establish some sort of Mexican frontier, or to invade us.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Dude, they want to pick lettuce. They want to blow your leaves. They want to wash your dishes. They're poor. They don't care about politics. They just want to feed their family. And, the reason they're here, is because we have jobs. If they didn't fill them, are you going to? No, you're not. But somebody will. And, as long as GB doesn't fix the border, you're not going to like the next ones either.

excon

CaptainRich

excon, you are so missing the point. If you say I don't care who picks, or washes, my lettuce, you're right. But my point is : If the WHOLE frigging world sees we can't control who comes in, anywhere!! ANY NATIONALITY!! then why have border patrols at all? What is your gain in this? Who are you, really? Really! You don't see any of this as wrong?

excon

Hello again, Captain:

I guess you missed the part where I said the borders are broken. I, however, point the finger where it belongs -at YOUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT - not at the brown skinned people who want to make your bed at Motel 6.

Who am I? What's the difference. I'm a guy who disagrees with you. Isn't that enough?

excon

CaptainRich

Again, a blancket as a platitudinal answer. "YOUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT" Who changed the funding priorities? Who decided we spend too much on border patrols? I know I wouldn't support cutting it!! If takes, say, twenty to fifty thousand, (note: American dollars!) for some Mexican's to smuggle in, do you think other groups, perhaps some of the names mentioned on national TV, do you think they could get a few buck together for their own cause...

excon

Hello again, Captain:

Ok, I'll try to sum it up for you.

We have jobs. Mexicans want jobs. We prevent them from coming here legally, but because our borders are open, they come here anyway. Because we really do want the lettuce to be picked, we're lax on letting them come. Hence, (your point), we have no idea who IS coming over the borders. That's bad. That's a broken immigration system resulting in the broken borders we have now.

The broken immigration system is the problem because it doesn't allow enough legal workers to come. Blame your legislators who didn't fix it 20 years ago.

If we fixed the immigration system so that we could fill all the lettuce picking jobs, and all the dish washing jobs and all the rest of these jobs with legal workers, then we can be pretty sure that the guy who IS sneaking over the border ISN'T coming here to mow your lawn.

If we did that, that would be good for us. No?

excon

Fr_Chuck

I will go into the Flood issues, all I can see shows that the state and local government was at the major fault and that honestly the federal government did not have the man power to do anything but give support to state agencies which did nothing basicly. And of course we all know that the local government not fixing thier problems caused most of it, and of course the local government having a plan but refusing to follow it, caught most of the people in the situatoin they had.

As for the tax cuts, yes they helped get the economy up to where it was at, I can't see why anyone can talk bad agaisnt the interest rates, the stock market and the great increase in tax dollars that happened from the cuts just as promised.

as for as washing the lettuce well it nees to be done better no matter who is doing it.

But it is our political system, not any one party, not any one political person, who is at blame on the immigration issue, They all want the 12 million voters voting for them, none of them are going to do anything to lose those votes. They are all putting htier parties and their re-election over the safety of the nation.

AW805

Tangencies gogosean. Your forgetting the original post. It's illegal to hire an illegal. Our country needs to start coming down on employers who are not following the law.