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Fred Lucas, CNSNews.com Staff Writer reported:
“New York Democratic Gov. Elliott Spitzer pushed the policy, enacted last month, as a "common sense change" to give illegal aliens "the opportunity to obtain a driver license in a responsible and secure manner."
But opponents of the plan immediately cited homeland security concerns, recalling that 9/11 hijackers had obtained phony driver's licenses.”
However what he didn’t report was that the Justice Department found that eight of the 19 hijackers were registered to vote.
This brings another serious problem that a Wall Street Journal op-ed piece, “This Will Make Voter Fraud Easier” by John Fund does bring to light and, that is voter fraud. I wonder if this will pass the “Bull Test.”
Who, he asks, are for granting a drivers license to illegal emigrants?
Democrat’s, he answers and uses Hillary Clinton as an example along with New York governor Eliot Spitzer.
Meanwhile Arnold Ahlert a columnist for the NY Post for the past seven years enters the fracas, or farces, which is yet to be determined; with the question.
“What could be more threatening to our democratic republic than voter fraud? Nothing. What could be more threatening to the ambitions of the American Left–MoveOn.org, Code Pink, George Soros, Clinton, Obama, Edwards, et al–than fraud-FREE elections? Nothing.
In the 2008 election, two political parties will be vying for your vote. It is worth remembering which party is willing to make a complete mockery of your one opportunity to participate in our democratic process. As a conservative, it is somewhat annoying to realize that a liberal “cancels out” my vote.
That an illegal alien–or a terrorist thug–could do the same thing is an absolute outrage.
This is all bureaucratic bs. A drivers license does not need to be some sort of *official identification card*!!! That is ridiculous!!
Every American needs a "passport" or some sort or "legal ID" for that purpose. This id can be processed through the police stations in every town village and city in America.
We need to know who are citizens and who aren't. The immigration situation is a mess and BUSH DID **NOTHING** TO ADVANCE A BETTER SITUATION.
This is all bureaucratic bs. A drivers license does not need to be some sort of *official identification card*!!! That is ridiculous!!
Every American needs a "passport" or some sort or "legal ID" for that purpose. This id can be processed through the police stations in every town village and city in America.
We need to know who are citizens and who aren't. The immigration situation is a mess and BUSH DID **NOTHING** TO ADVANCE A BETTER SITUATION.
The immigration issue began long before Bush came into the picture. I whole heartily agree that he has not done what is needed to fix it. One problem is in immigration law that makes it too expensive and troublesome for the poor immigrant from Mexico and South America with relatives already here. But my concern in the OP is them voting.
Bush has been president for seven years and did nothing...offered no leadership. So what how long this has been a problem, everyone who reads knows it has been a terrible problem for a long time.
The election isn't until 11-08.....Bush can institute a national ID card for citizens....citizens vote, citizens have birth certificates and other documents.
There is no reason why drivers licenses should be an important id. Haven't you seen the kind of people who work at the Department of Motor Vehicles??????
Choux ; Bush supported the foolish comprehensive legislation that the Dem. controlled Congress tried to ram down our thoats in the spring. His only problem on immigration is he's got priorities screwed up;just like the Dems. He wants amnesty before enforcing the laws.
Tom, reading comprehension please!! I know you are anxious to lie about my comment, but PLEASE!!! My comment:
"This is all bureaucratic bs. A drivers license ***does not need to be*** some sort of *official identification card*!!! That is ridiculous!!
I stated I was in favor of an identification card for **citizens**, all citizens of America, if that wasn't clear.
Drivers licenses *SHOULD BE JUST FOR DRIVING*....for example, I have no driver's license and hence no picture id. I have nothing but a library card and a medicare card. THAT'S NOTHING IN THIS DAY AND AGE!!! I SHOULD HAVE A TAMPER PROOF CITIZEN IDENTIFICATION CARD, AND SO SHOULD ALL CITIZENS.
All this can be accomplished fairly easily by Bush speaking out on this subject and having a law passed in Congress....each police station in America can issue the Citizen's ID after the bureaucratic stuff is worked out.
I guess Bush doesn't want that despite all his talk about war, terrorist attacks, be very afraid speeches.....we don't know who the heck is in our country or entering our country through porous borders!
Until there’s an eruption, the chattering classes of Paris, Antwerp, Lisbon, Copenhagen etc. don’t see the trouble in the slums where Muslim youth smolders. Beltway politicians rarely glimpse the barrios of the West Coast where Latina illegitimacy has become an epidemic, and gang violence is spreading by the day. Nor do they care to make too much of the Islamic threat at home and abroad.
But the people know what the journalists and politicians don’t. They express themselves inside the voting booth, when the curtain is drawn and they don’t have to fake their enthusiasm for an inclusive curriculum.
When the November 2008 rolls around, that unpublicized feeling will have a profound effect on the American elections. As in Europe, the party that refuses to acknowledge reality is condemned to defeat, or to a short and ineffective rule. The cuckoo clock is ticking.
Choux I am opposed to giving illegals any form of official ID . Regardless if you think the driver's license should or should not be legit form of ID for voting ....in NY it is .So Spitzer's move to get illegals licenses is an attempt to enfranchise them.
President Bush supports real id. where have you been ? As a matter of fact ;Bush supports most of the Democrat immigrant initiatives . This is where he gets in trouble wth his own party.
And once again, Chou weighs in on the wrong side of the issue.
Chou, what piece of ID do you use when you get on an airplane for a domestic flight?
What piece of ID do you use at your local bank?
What piece of ID do you use when you fill out a government form?
What piece of ID do you use when applying for a job?
What piece of ID is at the top of Column B on the I-9 tax form, the list of legal foms of identification.
What piece of ID is the most often used form for voter registration?
The drivers license.
Issuing a drivers license to illegal immigrants essentially grants them citizenship status. It gives them a legal ID with which they can register to vote. It gives them ID with which they can apply for jobs that they are not legally entitled to. There is no way to change that fact. Saying that a drivers license "doesn't need to be some form of identification card" completely ignores the fact that that is exactly what it is... exactly the purpose for which it is intended by the government, in fact.
A drivers license IS an ID card. It identifies the cardholder as a person having legal status in the state of issue. A drivers license in the hands of illegal immigrants is a statement that the holder has legal status in that state... a fact which is NOT TRUE. And the fact is that in many states, possibly in most states though I am not sure, a person with a drivers license can register to vote, either on the spot or before the date of election. There is no feasable way to keep illegals with drivers licenses from being able to vote. Ergo, the only way to stop that from occuring is to keep them from getting drivers licenses.
Spitzer is dead wrong on this issue... and so is Chou.
We need comprehensive immigration reform. That's problem "A". Instead, we had a congress who wouldn't/couldn't do the job.
Whether illegals have a driver’s license or not, or whether they vot or not are problems "J" or "K". They're WAY down the list. Trying to fix problems "J" or "K", or even "B" or "C", without FIRST fixing problem "A", is not only impossible, but kinda stupid.
I do agree that in the absence of a national solution, the states are trying to fill in. But they can't, because it's a NATIONAL problem. Therefore, EVERY state remedy is going to be the WRONG remedy.
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