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Asked Nov 3, 2007, 03:30 PM — 62 Answers
Fred Lucas, CNSNews.com Staff Writer reported:
“New York Democratic Gov. Elliott Spitzer pushed the policy, enacted last month, as a "common sense change" to give illegal aliens "the opportunity to obtain a driver license in a responsible and secure manner."
But opponents of the plan immediately cited homeland security concerns, recalling that 9/11 hijackers had obtained phony driver's licenses.”

Licenses-for-Illegals Faces Court Challenge in New York -- 11/02/2007

However what he didn’t report was that the Justice Department found that eight of the 19 hijackers were registered to vote.
This brings another serious problem that a Wall Street Journal op-ed piece, “This Will Make Voter Fraud Easier” by John Fund does bring to light and, that is voter fraud. I wonder if this will pass the “Bull Test.”

OpinionJournal - John Fund on the Trail

Who, he asks, are for granting a drivers license to illegal emigrants?
Democrat’s, he answers and uses Hillary Clinton as an example along with New York governor Eliot Spitzer.

Meanwhile Arnold Ahlert a columnist for the NY Post for the past seven years enters the fracas, or farces, which is yet to be determined; with the question.
“What could be more threatening to our democratic republic than voter fraud? Nothing. What could be more threatening to the ambitions of the American Left–MoveOn.org, Code Pink, George Soros, Clinton, Obama, Edwards, et al–than fraud-FREE elections? Nothing.
In the 2008 election, two political parties will be vying for your vote. It is worth remembering which party is willing to make a complete mockery of your one opportunity to participate in our democratic process. As a conservative, it is somewhat annoying to realize that a liberal “cancels out” my vote.
That an illegal alien–or a terrorist thug–could do the same thing is an absolute outrage.

Political Mavens » 9/11 Terrorists–Registered to Vote

How many of the 12-20 million illegal aliens in the country do you want voting?

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Nov 9, 2007, 01:04 PM
YouTube - We Are the World - Lionel Richie, Tina Turner, Jackson
Sorry, it was getting to serious in here for me...woahoahoah!
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Nov 9, 2007, 01:07 PM
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YouTube - We Are the World - Lionel Richie, Tina Turner, Jackson
Sorry, it was getting to serious in here for me...woahoahoah!
Well, if you believe it is too serious there is the option
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Nov 9, 2007, 01:12 PM
I have really been reading all the way through.... I just wanted to lighten your guys' day. That's all. I do appreciate all the different views on politics and the different discussions, I just notice that it gets pretty heated with the name calling and bashing....
Just a little sunshine...Dark Crow.....close your eyes, if it's too bright!
I am still thinking on my take with this ILLEGAL immigration thing.....if we are going to stop it, we are going to have to put our humanity away for a while. Sad but true.....
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Nov 9, 2007, 01:34 PM
How about we designate them as an "unlawful Enemy combatant”.
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Nov 9, 2007, 01:40 PM
Naw, what we need to do is get the damn list of all that are leagal, and then start form there....They have every right to be here....
I am not real into these types of conversations, but I really think both sides are very sad sides...ours and theirs. If I lived somewhere, and I couldn't feed my family or anything to that extreme, and there was a place I could go to make sure that is done, HELL yes I am going to do it!
So I really do feel for them.....I respect the immigrants that come legally, but for some, that is just not an option. The problem really needs to start where their homeland is! I guess that is where I would start!
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Nov 9, 2007, 01:47 PM
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Naw, what we need to do is get the damn list of all that are leagal, and then start form there....They have every right to be here....
I am not real into these types of conversations, but I really think both sides are very sad sides...ours and theirs. If I lived somewhere, and I couldn't feed my family or anything to that extreme, and there was a place I could go to make sure that is done, HELL yes I am going to do it!
So I really do feel for them.....I respect the immigrants that come legally, but for some, that is just not an option. The problem really needs to start where their homeland is! I guess that is where I would start!
I agree and there is a movement that advocates capital investments in the southern hemisphere for bioenergy farms that would allow for economic growth, as well as less oil consumption in the more industrialized countries.
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Nov 9, 2007, 01:49 PM
I guess the question is really....How do we get it started with out a bunch of corruption!
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Nov 9, 2007, 01:52 PM
I've been reading this thread for a while and I'd agree, any fix to this problem has to start with making staying in the country of their birth a better place. If people can find jobs where they are they won't enter another coutnry illegally.

I still think the whole thing about illegal immigrants voting is ridiculous. I understand that with the current ID laws it's possible in New York (and maybe other places) but how many illegal immigrants are actually going to follow politics and try to vote? It seems like it's just another scare tactic to make people hate illegal immigrants more "they are screwing up our elections"... Okay where is the hard data on the number of illegal immigrants that go vote?
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Nov 9, 2007, 01:56 PM
I don't think there is even any hard data as to how many there are in the U.S.
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Mar 11, 2008, 11:49 PM
You all make very good arguments. I do agree that issuing a driver's license to an illegal entitles them to the same rights as U.S. Citezens. I don't think that should be done but at this point, illegal immigrants have the same rights as americans and if not more in some cases-- or so it sure seems that way. What can we do about it?
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