 | | | Illegal emigrants voting
Asked Nov 3, 2007, 03:30 PM
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62 Answers Fred Lucas, CNSNews.com Staff Writer reported:
“New York Democratic Gov. Elliott Spitzer pushed the policy, enacted last month, as a "common sense change" to give illegal aliens "the opportunity to obtain a driver license in a responsible and secure manner."
But opponents of the plan immediately cited homeland security concerns, recalling that 9/11 hijackers had obtained phony driver's licenses.” Licenses-for-Illegals Faces Court Challenge in New York -- 11/02/2007
However what he didn’t report was that the Justice Department found that eight of the 19 hijackers were registered to vote.
This brings another serious problem that a Wall Street Journal op-ed piece, “This Will Make Voter Fraud Easier” by John Fund does bring to light and, that is voter fraud. I wonder if this will pass the “Bull Test.” OpinionJournal - John Fund on the Trail
Who, he asks, are for granting a drivers license to illegal emigrants?
Democrat’s, he answers and uses Hillary Clinton as an example along with New York governor Eliot Spitzer.
Meanwhile Arnold Ahlert a columnist for the NY Post for the past seven years enters the fracas, or farces, which is yet to be determined; with the question.
“What could be more threatening to our democratic republic than voter fraud? Nothing. What could be more threatening to the ambitions of the American Left–MoveOn.org, Code Pink, George Soros, Clinton, Obama, Edwards, et al–than fraud-FREE elections? Nothing.
In the 2008 election, two political parties will be vying for your vote. It is worth remembering which party is willing to make a complete mockery of your one opportunity to participate in our democratic process. As a conservative, it is somewhat annoying to realize that a liberal “cancels out” my vote.
That an illegal alien–or a terrorist thug–could do the same thing is an absolute outrage. Political Mavens » 9/11 Terrorists–Registered to Vote
How many of the 12-20 million illegal aliens in the country do you want voting? Thread Summary |
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Nov 8, 2007, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ETWolverine I didn't say there were NONE. But it is fairly clear that not as many got in as wished to. In fact, the vast majority of Jewish immigrants never made it to Palestine until AFTER Israeli statehood in 1948. That is part of the reason that so many Jews died in the Holocaust despite warnings from various Zionist leaders like Hertzl, Jabotinsky, and others to get out of Europe and return to our historical homeland. They couldn't get into Palestine, the USA wasn't taking them, and nobody else wanted them either. (And in a few cases, they didn't want to leave Europe anyway... But that is a topic for another string.) For the most part the British border control over Palestine in the 20s and 30s and early 40s was very tight.
After 1944 or so things started changing because the Jews inside Palestine were starting to organize into an effective anti-British force that was able to counter the British border security. It was only with indiginous help from Jews already inside Palestine that the tight security began to weaken.
The USA does not have an indiginous organized movement that is willing to take on the US military in combat to weaken border security. So there is no parallel to the reasons that the British Mandate's border security failed at the end. There IS quite a bit of parallel as to why their tight security worked for as long as it did.
Elliot | As I have persistently argued, illegal immigration cannot be stopped, and what success the British had was because they were brutal, and shot illegals’ trying to enter Israel. What will stop it is saturation, if there is no work available the number will dwindle on its own. Even now the numbers are going down. Have you forgotten supply and demand? | | |  | Senior Member | |
Nov 8, 2007, 02:44 PM
| | | You don't need "saturation" to make that happen. If you enforce the laws so that illegals can't get jobs, it will have the same effect as if the jobs didn't exist at all or were saturated.
And yes, brutality works. Where's the problem with that? We have 11 million people who have invaded our borders. Doesn't that constitute an "invasion in force"? And if so, why should I have a problem with brutality in turning back that invasion?
But it doesn't take butality. It does take being unrelenting in the enforcement of the border. Not brutal, not hurtful, just unrelenting, unstopping, and not letting anything get past you. You can enforce the laws with a smile and without hitting or shooting anyone. Just as long as you do enforce the laws. And soldiers, in my experience, are very good at enforcing the rules with complete politeness and respect for the person they are enforcing against.
Elliot | | |  | Uber Member | |
Nov 8, 2007, 02:51 PM
| | | I say we all come up with our own plans....write them down....take a vote (between the people not government) and try it out....
Nothing is being done so far so what could it hurt? Sheesh! | | |  | Ultra Member | |
Nov 8, 2007, 04:07 PM
| | | My swipe about blackwater was just that. A swipe. I don't really appreciate how big a problem it is for the US with illegal immigration but I do understand it is a major issue.
In actual fact I didn't mind the idea of the military. So long as they acted legally and ethically.
Brutality though, no.
If you find a way that works let us know and maybe we'll be able to stop all these whinging poms and stinkin New Zealanders that find a way in down here by the thousands each year.
They're takin up my spot on the beach and they're ugly without their shirts on! | | |  | Ultra Member | |
Nov 8, 2007, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Skell My swipe about blackwater was just that. A swipe. I don't really appreciate how big a problem it is for the US with illegal immigration but I do understand it is a major issue.
In actual fact I didn't mind the idea of the military. So long as they acted legally and ethically.
Brutality though, no.
If you find a way that works let us know and maybe we'll be able to stop all these whinging poms and stinkin New Zealanders that find a way in down here by the thousands each year.
They're takin up my spot on the beach and they're ugly without their shirts on! | I don't have a problem regarding illegal immigrants; they fill a very useful slot in society. As I mentioned to Elliot, supply and demand will control it.
Interestingly enough employment is not a problem either, except for employers.
In Florida, a line technician makes a base wage of $53,000 and with overtime can earn up to $100,000. That's pretty good money, for a job that can't be offshored and is unlikely to be nabbed by an illegal immigrant. But the electrical industry is getting awfully nervous because, well, kids today don't seem to want to become line technicians, and the ones that are on the job are getting a little gray around the temple. Half of Florida's line technicians are reportedly set to retire within five years. How the World Works: Globalization, Globalization Blogs - Salon.com | | |  | Ultra Member | |
Nov 8, 2007, 04:34 PM
| | | [quote=Dark_crow]I don | | |  | Ultra Member | |
Nov 8, 2007, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Skell Does your opinion change depending on what country they originate from?
Do you like illegals from one area but not from another? | Yeah, I | | |  | Ultra Member | |
Nov 8, 2007, 08:36 PM
| | | I can see your point. Seems fair enough! | | |  | Full Member | |
Nov 8, 2007, 10:02 PM
| | | How is illegal immigration fair to legal immigrants? If anything illegal immigrants are cutting front of good people that are trying to follow the laws. Why should we reward people that break the law and punish those that follow the law. If we need people to fill jobs lets open up more legal immigration. I don't see any racism in that statement. How can you? | | |  | Ultra Member | |
Nov 9, 2007, 07:05 AM
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How is illegal immigration fair to legal immigrants?
| There is an assumption being made with that line of thinking that is made about money. And that is that there is only so much money to divide. As I mentioned earlier, | | | | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | Add your answer here.
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