If you were president and had control over $billions in spending

I know that and I didn't take it as one. I think I am more like you guys than you think. Just a few issues where we disagree. Its why I come here to tell the truth!

What I find pure sh1theadedness is accepting that there is an epidemic of gun violence involving children that nothing is wrong. But as we have sorted out that's just me and my culture. I'm happy being a sh1thead. Beats being shotinthehead!

Anything beats being shot in the head Skell. That's why you got to practice your fast draw!

And yet, here you are with no facts whatsoever to back up your assertion that gun control lowers gun violence. You can't even fine BIASED data that makes thatassertion... Because it simply isn't true.

And just so you know, I don't get my data from pro-gun websites. I get them from crime statistics and gun ownership statistis put out by governments. The raw data, unfiltered by any organizations with a bias, speaks pretty clearly on its own. I don't need to spin it.

How many? How often? Where? What are the gun cotrol laws like in the places where these events occur? Are the number of deaths from gun violence in locations with strict gun control laws lower or higher than those with more liberal gun policies? Without that data, you are speaking based on annecdotal information, not based on a true knowledge of the issue.

Nobody has denied that there is an issue. Gun violence is a huge issue. There is simply no proof that banning guns will or has ever stopped gun violence. And there is quite a bit of proof to the contrary. We aren't disagreeing on the nature of the problem. It's the solution that you are proposing that I disagree with.

Interesting. But not entirely accurate.

In 2002, at Monash University, a foreign student killed two other students. Despite the strict gun control laws established in 1996. There was a huge uproar about how a foreigner was able to get his hands on a gun in the first place. The stricter gun laws don't seem to have been effective there, do they.

Additionally, according to Don Weatherburn, head of the New South Wales Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research, gun ownership in Australia (specifically in NSW) is up since 1996. So much for getting the guns out of the hands of civillians.

And finally, in 2006, the British Journal of Criminology printed a peer-reviewed article that showed that there has been no significant change in crime statistics in Australia during the 10-year period since the gun laws in Australia were changed.

Then there's the fact that 85% of gun-crimes in Australia were committed with unregistered guns. How do the gun laws keep unregistered weapons out of the hands of criminals? The answer is that they don't. They only keep guns out of the hands of the people who obey the laws in the first place.

And as a side note, did you know that the rate of adult male gun suicides in Australia increased in the years following the 1996 crackdown in gun laws? I'm not sure what to make of that fact, but it's clear that stricter gun control hasn't prevented gun suicides.

That's because you're a sheeple and you follow the herd, even when you are in disagreement with it.

So am I.

True to a point. But I tend to be a small-government conservative. I see guns as a protection from government authority as much as from evil deviants.

You aren't wrong because you disagree with me or see things differently than I do. You are wrong because you're wrong. You are wrong because the historical and statistical evidence shows that you are wrong... Even in your own country, which you hold out as an example of how gun control works.

Elliot

Because it would be pointless as the biased arguments you make. As I've said. I've based my mind up by watching your kids being slaughtered each night on the news! That's enough for me!

The small business start-ups is one I totally agree with.

I would have never thought of this. But yes, that's a good one too.

Actually, what helped Nazi Germany was some American businesses and banks. The government should have stepped in more and stopped this. An example is IBM. I'm making this point because you are being extreme here. I'm going to show you the flipside of the coin that you brushed under the rug.
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However, I don't agree with total government control (obviously)...yet I also do not agree that we should take that control and hand it to elite businessmen. There has to be a balance.


Maybe we should ask how the Canadians, Brits, and French do this? They all have free healthcare and maintain being amonst the richest countries in the world.

Free? What's so good about free? Have you read elsewhere in this site when many have to wait anywhere from several days to several weeks to be seen by a real doctor or critical needs specialist?
Granted, much of our system is jaundiced by pharmaceutical companies

If your news is playing the images over and over again in your news media, it's because that media wants to distort your perception of the reality here.
There aren't people being murdered every day, as you claim. It your source's tell you that, I'll label that as yellow journalism.