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| Originally Posted by Skell El you so cleverly regurgitate all this information as you always do with your biased spin on it and accuse others of not having data or evidence to back it up. And then when you are pressed to do so you provide web sites from biased organisation similar to that which i have posted above.
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And yet, here you are with no facts whatsoever to back up your assertion that gun control lowers gun violence. You can't even fine BIASED data that makes thatassertion... because it simply isn't true.
And just so you know, I don't get my data from pro-gun websites. I get them from crime statistics and gun ownership statistis put out by governments. The raw data, unfiltered by any organizations with a bias, speaks pretty clearly on its own. I don't need to spin it.
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You have children being killed each and every day because of gun violence. Surely you dont need me to provide facts of that?
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How many? How often? Where? What are the gun cotrol laws like in the places where these events occur? Are the number of deaths from gun violence in locations with strict gun control laws lower or higher than those with more liberal gun policies? Without that data, you are speaking based on annecdotal information, not based on a true knowledge of the issue.
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Yet still you think that there is no issue. You all do!
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Nobody has denied that there is an issue. Gun violence is a huge issue. There is simply no proof that banning guns will or has ever stopped gun violence. And there is quite a bit of proof to the contrary. We aren't disagreeing on the nature of the problem. It's the solution that you are proposing that I disagree with.
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We may be a much smaller country in population but in my memory we have never had a child gunned down at school. NEVER!!! We had the Port Arthur massacre which subsequently lead to change in gun laws in this country. Since then we have had a decrease in gun violence!
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Interesting. But not entirely accurate.
In 2002, at Monash University, a foreign student killed two other students. Despite the strict gun control laws established in 1996. There was a huge uproar about how a foreigner was able to get his hands on a gun in the first place. The stricter gun laws don't seem to have been effective there, do they.
Additionally, according to Don Weatherburn, head of the New South Wales Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research, gun ownership in Australia (specifically in NSW) is up since 1996. So much for getting the guns out of the hands of civillians.
And finally, in 2006, the British Journal of Criminology printed a peer-reviewed article that showed that there has been no significant change in crime statistics in Australia during the 10-year period since the gun laws in Australia were changed.
Then there's the fact that 85% of gun-crimes in Australia were committed with unregistered guns. How do the gun laws keep unregistered weapons out of the hands of criminals? The answer is that they don't. They only keep guns out of the hands of the people who obey the laws in the first place.
And as a side note, did you know that the rate of adult male gun suicides in Australia increased in the years following the 1996 crackdown in gun laws? I'm not sure what to make of that fact, but it's clear that stricter gun control hasn't prevented gun suicides.
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And we citizens arent so paranoid that we feel violated because we dont have the opportunity to overthrow Bush's little lap dog Howard and his government.
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That's because you're a sheeple and you follow the herd, even when you are in disagreement with it.
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I'm glad my kids will go to school in my country. Even gladder they wont ever set foot in one in yours!
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So am I.
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As Kahan said "Americans see guns not through a lens of 20/20 facts but through an elaborate stained-glass window. Are you a big proponent of authority? If so, you probably see guns as a way to make the world safer — as a form of protection against evil deviants. Same goes for people whose identity is rooted in self-sufficiency. You see guns as a form of independence. So gun-control laws will not fix the problem, as far as you're concerned."
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True to a point. But I tend to be a small-government conservative. I see guns as a protection from government authority as much as from evil deviants.
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Simply, i and many many millions of other in the world dont see it like you do. But of course we are wrong!!
I look forward to your next piece of diatribe!!
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You aren't wrong because you disagree with me or see things differently than I do. You are wrong because you're wrong. You are wrong because the historical and statistical evidence shows that you are wrong... even in your own country, which you hold out as an example of how gun control works.
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