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Old Jul 20, 2007, 09:38 PM
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Hurting or Helping Hillary?

Is her husband Bill helping or hurting her chances? Making her appear less capable and needing his assistance? Causing voters to wonder too much whether he will or won't try another Lewinski scenario? Or is all this totally irrelevant?

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Old Jul 23, 2007, 07:11 AM   #11  
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Really? How can you tell?

And her popularity would seem to indicate that that is not the major hurdle you think it is. She's way ahead of where Geraldine Ferraro was when she ran for VP.
I agree with your analysis as to her advantages, but I tend to believe that she, as a female, will lose a lot of the Hispanic vote that the other attributes you spelled out might have otherwise brought out. Let's see how she does on the main issues, she had been quite on. Tonight may give us some better indications
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Old Jul 23, 2007, 07:14 AM   #12  
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Tonight may give us some better indications

yeah I wonder how many probing question CNN will divine from the stack of YouTube entries ?
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Old Jul 23, 2007, 07:32 AM   #13  
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Bill is helping her. If it weren't for Bill, she'd be some has-been of counsel in a two-bit Arkansas law firm that nobody would have heard of but for a scandal.

Bill Clinton's the only hope she's got.

He is her ticket to the nostalgia voters: They want him back, and she's the next best thing.

Without him, she is a lifeless bag. I live in an area inundated with Dems, and what I can gather from them, they don't like Hillary because of the wonderful things she does. They like her because she is Bill Clinton's wife and they have faulty memories of the things he's done.

Her voice is grating, her attitude is unfriendly and unbecoming, and when she speaks, unless she's using his speech writers, she comes across as lackluster in the intelligence department.

If she wins the primary, it'll open a can of worms for a really nasty election. The media will support her because they love Bill. We'll be inundated with the whole "first woman as president" oohs and aahs, etc. And we'll have to relive the "vast right wing conspiracy" junk. Regardless, without Bill Clinton's charisma, she wouldn't be there, and she knows it.

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Old Jul 23, 2007, 08:56 AM   #14  
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she'd be some has-been of counsel in a two-bit Arkansas law firm that nobody would have heard of but for a scandal.
....... and most likely indicted since she would not have been able to hide the firms records in the White House.
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Old Jul 24, 2007, 09:53 PM   #15  
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I agree with your analysis as to her advantages, but I tend to believe that she, as a female, will lose a lot of the Hispanic vote that the other attributes you spelled out might have otherwise brought out. Let's see how she does on the main issues, she had been quite on. Tonight may give us some better indications

List of elected or appointed female heads of state - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hispanics have had female heads of state such as the Spaniard Isabella of Castile the popular Argentinean Evita Peron and Isabel Martínez de Perón, the Ecuadorian Rosalía Arteagathe, the Bolivian Lidia Gueiler Tejada, the Puerto Rican Sila Maria Calderon, the Panamanian Mireya Moscoso. the Chilean Michelle Bachelet, and the Nicaraguan Violeta Barrios de Chamorro who was the first democratically elected female president in the Americas.

So if Hispanics don't vote for Hilary it isn't because she's female.

Lidia Gueiler Tejada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sila María Calderón - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Violeta Chamorro - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mireya Moscoso - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Michelle Bachelet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Rosalía Arteaga - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Isabel Martínez de Perón - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Old Jul 25, 2007, 09:21 AM   #16  
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My opinion is that Bill is an asset on the campaign trail..Couple of reasons.

Women like Bill.

Bill is a reminder of the good old days before Bush trashed America and got America involved in a hopeless war as he waged it. He is a reminder of Democratic moderate approach compared to Bush's radical war of adventurism that was a complete failure with no possible positive exit strategy. Americans don't want "Endless War"; that's why Bush's approval rating is at 25% in some polls. He is losing Iraq and losing Afthanistan, and according to Chernoff, his Homeland Security chum, Jihadists are gong to attack America this summer.

It is all about the public's perception of politicians. NOw, Republicans, because of the failres of the Bush administration, are percienved in a very negative light because of the radical actions in foreign and domestic arenas.

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Old Jul 25, 2007, 10:04 AM   #17  
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Bill is a reminder of the good old days before Bush trashed America and got America involved in a hopeless war as he waged it. He is a reminder of Democratic moderate approach compared to Bush's radical war of adventurism that was a complete failure with no possible positive exit strategy. Americans don't want "Endless War"; that's why Bush's approval rating is at 25% in some polls. He is losing Iraq and losing Afthanistan, and according to Chernoff, his Homeland Security chum, Jihadists are gong to attack America this summer.

He's also a reminder that we could have avoided the entire war and the 9/11 attack if he had taken out Osama bin Laden when he had the multiple chances to do so, been more responsive to the first WTC attack, the Marine Barracks attack, the USS Cole attack, the attacks on the embassies in Africa, his lack of response to provocations by Saddam Hussein, and his overall piss-poor response in Bosnia.

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It is all about the public's perception of politicians. NOw, Republicans, because of the failres of the Bush administration, are percienved in a very negative light because of the radical actions in foreign and domestic arenas.

I agree, it is all about public perception. And if you think that the public is looking forward to the perceptions of another 4 years of Clintons in the White House, and the ensuing sex-and-hamburger jokes in the international community, you are being very naive. Bush may be hated and feared around the world as a loose cannon and a cowboy, and for his "lack of diplomatic savvy", but he's not the walking sex joke that Clinton was.

That said, I think that Bill is more of an asset to Hillary right now than a hinderance. But that is true right now while she is working on the Demiocratic primary. That could very well change when it comes time for her to wage the general erection... er... I meant election campaign. (See how easy it is for the Republicans to conjure up an image that makes Bill look bad?)

And about Hillary lifting up the carpets to see what's lying under the rugs... I wonder if there's any DNA evidence still there from the good old days of Monica. (See?)

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Old Jul 25, 2007, 12:07 PM   #18  
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Outside of his infidelity issue which was Hillary's choice to continue her relationship with her husband, Bill can't hurt Hillary's chances at Presidency. The past few years Bill has spent part of the time in the public eye with Bush Sr.. They do a lot of charity good together and that can only strengthen Hillary's chances. Of course Bill brings supportive experience and a voice, the public desire for change (if needed or not), and the fact he was popular with the majority of the public during his two terms.



Bobby

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Starman agrees: Her patience is definitely an asset.
tomder55 agrees: Bobby ;if the public wants change the last person they'd vote for is another Clinton or Bush . 20 years is enough .
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