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Old Jan 23, 2008, 04:35 AM
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Homeless Vets

Hello Righty's:

Last Tuesday night, in reference to our nation's homeless veterans, Your spokesperson, Bill O'Reilly said: “They may be out there, but there’s not many of them out there. Okay? … If you know where there's a veteran sleeping under a bridge, you call me immediately, and we will make sure that man does not do it.”

He raises an important issue. Unfortunately, he got the facts wrong.

According to the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs, almost 200,000 veterans are homeless on any given night in America, accounting for about one-third of the adult homeless population.

Is your man Bill right or wrong?

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Old Jan 23, 2008, 12:14 PM   #11  
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the 200,000 figure comes from the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs Bill O should know that even though I have no doubt that Edwards is demagoguing the issue ;just like he always does with his 2 Americas schtick .

Yep, and Bill can certainly be a boob. He even admitted his comment on paying for vets to be taken to Edwards' home was "an immature remark." But his point is about the demagoguery and the reasons for their homelessness, and I have no doubt he supports our troops and our vets. I'm sure he and Edwards will both be saying more in days to come so stay tuned. Maybe Harry Reid will even condemn O'Reilly on the Senate floor and send him a letter expressing his outrage.
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Old Jan 24, 2008, 01:08 AM   #12  
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Edwards could care less about the VETS .To him they are a statistic to use in talking points. If he cared so much about them then why did he not act as a lawyer pro bono on their behalf instead of at a Hedge fund ?

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Old Jan 24, 2008, 07:17 AM   #13  
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Hello again:

In my view, a country ought to do more for its soldiers than we do. I don't care if there are only FIVE of them. I don't care if they're drunk or druggies. I don't care if they're nuts. I don't care what's going on with them. And, I don't care how much it costs us to look after them.

You see, I believe that risking your life for your country is worth whatever it costs your country to take care of you. They gave for us. It's our turn to step up to the plate.

I say this because I, in fact, DO support the troops. Whereas, you don't. You only like 'em when they're doing your killing. But, when they're done doing your bidding, you don't wanna hear about 'em.

Indeed, your denials above are quite UN-patriotic.

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I agree with you.

I worked for a while at our local VA Mental Health Clinic. From what I saw there, I would be more willing to just take my chances elsewhere.

I've been turned down by VA for disability for 11 years running now (I re-apply every year) for multiple service-related injuries that have prevented me from pursuing my first choice in civilian careers.

We financed our house via a VA loan. When we got into financial trouble a couple of years ago (largely due to the cost of treating above injuries), the VA was not only ZERO help, they actually did more harm than good.

I don't know if it's budget issues, the low salaries they pay their employees, or what, but the VA's system is screwed from beginning to end.

Therefore, I would not be in the least surprised to hear about a high number of homeless veterans, and find the idea of such things completely revolting, to say the least.

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Old Jan 24, 2008, 07:20 AM   #14  
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kindj writes: "I worked for a while at our local VA Mental Health Clinic. From what I saw there, I would be more willing to just take my chances elsewhere.

I've been turned down by VA for disability for 11 years running now (I re-apply every year) for multiple service-related injuries that have prevented me from pursuing my first choice in civilian careers.

We financed our house via a VA loan. When we got into financial trouble a couple of years ago (largely due to the cost of treating above injuries), the VA was not only ZERO help, they actually did more harm than good.

I don't know if it's budget issues, the low salaries they pay their employees, or what, but the VA's system is screwed from beginning to end.

Therefore, I would not be in the least surprised to hear about a high number of homeless veterans, and find the idea of such things completely revolting, to say the least."

Thanks for your endorsement of universal, national, Demorcrat/fascist health care.

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kindj agrees: I didn't mean to endorse fascist health care--even though I've been called a fascist several times! :)
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Old Jan 24, 2008, 07:26 AM   #15  
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Bad personal experience abounds about every health care facility in the world, so I’m not surprised when I hear about a new one.
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so I’m not surprised when I hear about a new one.
Hello again, DC:

ONE???

The idea I'm trying to get across, which is widely available for viewing on any freeway offramp, is that it's virtually ALL of 'em.

It shouldn’t surprise you righty's. Aren't you the party of the bad old government? Well, here's the government being bad. I don't know what's so hard to believe. Is it that you just THINK your veterans are being taken care of, so you assume it's true?

I think O'Reilly did. Frankly, I think he's going to be shocked, if he'd only stop trying to defend himself.

It isn't a left or right thing, either. Our friend, Kindj is as Republican as you get.

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excon writes: "It isn't a left or right thing, either." If you had only listened, you would have heard O'Reilly say exactly that. Methinks you, excon, are much like O'Reilly, perhaps a "curmudgeon", separated at birth.
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I am sure DK's post was not an endorsement of univeral health care. It is well known that the VA system is wanting ;just like anything else run by the gvt. It is the nature of the beast.

How do you adequately identify who is the vet among the homeless ;and then what do you do about it ? Job programs and retraining I'm all for .Tuition grants and low cost housing loans ...go for it !

Mental Health and drug use is a stickier issue . Do you take them off the streets and drag them to facilities ;to rehab against their will ?

I don't know the answers but I do know that all Edwards is doing is making talking points about them and could care less about their plight.
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No, Tom, the "endorsement" of universal healthcare was from kindj. Not his intention, but testimonial experience of what exists. I am certain that the great majority of government employees are well-intentioned.
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I'm a bit addled, so I guess I'll clarify a bit:

I do NOT support any sort of government-run healthcare system, based largely upon my own (and other people's) experiences with the VA.

By the way, I tend to vote Republican, but I consider myself a conservative Independent.
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