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Old Sep 19, 2007, 08:21 AM
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His Kid vs. Your Kid

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Old Sep 19, 2007, 11:35 AM   #11  
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Yeah, lots of questions. But just one that is relevent.

Are the soldiers conscripts or are they volunteers?

If they are conscripts and Bush fanagled a deferment or a waiver for his kids when everyone else's kids were going to war, you MIGHT have a point.

But if those soldiers are volunteers... and they are... then the Bush girls are just 2 more kids out of several tens of millions of kids who have not chosen to serve in the military. No different from your kids.

Now... if we put a picture of your son or daughter next to the picture of a wounded soldier, what would we see, Need Karma? Is your child serving (or if you are too young to have kids, are YOU serving), or do you only expect the Bush twins to serve?

I, on the other hand, didn't serve in the US military. I served in the Israeli military instead. Same difference, though. I served. The soldiers who volunteered to join the military are all serving. Some people choose to serve, others don't. Why hold Bush's daughters (or Bush) to a standard that you don't hold for yourself or most other people?

Furthermore, how do you know that Bush's daughters aren't serving this country in some other capacity that only they can do because of their celebrity status as daughters of the President? Do you know for a fact that they aren't?

But it's not really about who serves and who doesn't, is it Karma. It's really about America's "Imperialism", and how "unfair" it is that we're waging war in some other country and people are dying.

Boo hoo. Cry me a river.

You want to compare and contrast pictures? Her you go:



The world before 9/11




The world after 9/11.

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Old Sep 19, 2007, 11:36 AM   #12  
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The interesting thing about Americans whose life is all about money is, they forget someone else did their duty to provide an environment where money was to be made. Israel has the right idea, everyone spends some time providing that kind of an environment.

I was just going to talk about that but you beat me too it. Money isn't everything, an i only wish people went to live in North Korea or something for a while and see whats its like. One ruler, one author of books, no tv, hardly any technology, poor, sick, weak, etc...

You dont have to support war, just support the ones fighting for it. And yeah they volunteered, it definitely was not for the money and yeah they no the risks. So what if its a choice, why dont you make the choice then to fight? If everyone had your attitude then who would be fighting for us and then there would be a draft. But after all who cares? You husband can pay them off with his large sum of money!
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Here's another site that'll give you who served, only without the political rhetoric and nasty comments. Might take a bit more work to search by person, but there's a spot on there to do that.

Who Served? | Military Service of Politicians

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BABRAM agrees: Dennis- It was the first site that popped up on my Google search. I didn't even consider the extra comments when I posted the link. The site you listed is good, just a little more difficult to navigate. Nothing personal. Have a good day, Bobby
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Can you please edit your post and make those pictures links

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ETWolverine agrees: I found smaller versions of the same pics. That should help the download time. Sorry about that.
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Old Sep 19, 2007, 11:47 AM   #15  
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I was just going to talk about that but you beat me too it. Money isn't everything, an i only wish people went to live in North Korea or something for a while and see whats its like. One ruler, one author of books, no tv, hardly any technology, poor, sick, weak, etc...

You dont have to support war, just support the ones fighting for it. And yeah they volunteered, it definitely was not for the money and yeah they no the risks. So what if its a choice, why dont you make the choice then to fight? If everyone had your attitude then who would be fighting for us and then there would be a draft. But after all who cares? You husband can pay them off with his large sum of money!

Boy, you both missed the point of my post. Who on this thread has said they don't support the troops who are fighting? Who said money is the only reason to not join the military? Perhaps a reason for not joining the military is simply one can do more good OUT of the military and political environment than IN it. Perhaps a reason for not joining the military is simply "I don't want to". That's the beauty of our voluntary system; if you don't want to join, you don't have to. If you want to join (and lots of people do) you can. Just because someone doesn't join doesn't mean they don't support the troops and appreciate the work they do. As I said, the nice thing about generalizations is that they don't apply to everyone.
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Bobby:

I knew it wasn't personal, I just wanted to post a fairly objective site as well. No worries, amigo!
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Bobby:

I knew it wasn't personal, I just wanted to post a fairly objective site as well. No worries, amigo!

But you have a good point Dennis. I didn't realize that it was a political sponsored site until I went back and looked at it a second time. I'm very patriotic and although I don't always agree with the current administration it was not my intention to demean our current President via anti-Bush rhetoric. I'm going to remove the link.



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Are the soldiers conscripts or are they volunteers?
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how do you know that Bush's daughters aren't serving this country in some other capacity that only they can do because of their celebrity status as daughters of the President? Do you know for a fact that they aren't?
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how do you know that Bush's daughters aren't serving this country in some other capacity that only they can do because of their celebrity status as daughters of the President? Do you know for a fact that they aren't?
Now that you mention it I've never heard of them doing anything, have you?
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Jenna Bush is teaching at a shelter as part of an internship for UNICEF's Educational Policy Department in Latin America, specifically in Panama.

Barbara has been working with a Smithsonian museum in New York, the Cooper-Hewitt National Design Museum. Previously, Barbara had been working with AIDS patients in Africa, in Tanzania, South Africa, and Botswana among other places, through a program sponsored by Baylor College of Medicine's International Pediatrics AIDS Initiative.

This is really a silly discussion to make a cheap political point. . Let's face the facts ;Prince Harry is a Lieutenant in the British Army .He begged to get deployed with his unit in Iraq and was turned down because he would be considered a high value target. Even if the Bush twins served they would not be sent to Iraq under the same logic.
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