Since George W. Bush is nearing the end of his term, what do you think his legacy will be?

BABRAM

Wondergirl: good point! To clarify what I'm speaking of is the times we live in. I think our nation learned this time to love our military and not blame them, in regards to the poor treatment many of our soldiers got coming back from Vietnam. That our pride and respect was renewed despite the circumstance, not that Bush could ever give us that quality which we already had, being proud Americans.



Bobby

kp2171

i disagree, sort of...

while i love my military, i dont think we have the support that is stated here...

im not saying its like it was w vietnam... we dont have "baby killer" protesters lined up at the airport..

but i also dont think we are giving our servicemen and women the support they deserve. at least en masse.

i think its more of a cold acceptance is some cases.

but that only my limited experience. its a big country, and i live in a little part of it.

BABRAM

Darwin studied birds on islands without mortgages. What the hell does "darwin" have to do with this post. And what was the "fricking martyr" comment about? I bought a house and turned a low six digit profit in a matter of three years and I didn't screw anyone in the process. Your statement that the lenders made dumb mistakes gave me the biggest laugh of the day. The lenders were not dumb, they knew exactly what they were doing. When your neighbor is effected, out of their own ignorance or being shammed by mortgage thugs, it effects the specs in your neighborhood.



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Bobby

BABRAM

What a surprise. You disagree, "sort of." Two, three, perhaps five percent?! By far the majority of Americans are proud of our servicemen. Even the candidates that want immediate pullout or phased withdraw out of Iraq wouldn't even whisper such to the contrary. With all due respect, the public on average is light years ahead of how our Vietnam soldiers were treated.



Bobby

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I think our service men and women are getting shafted. They always have and always will.

kp2171

hmmm... survival of the fittest has nothing to do with nothing...

if you took on an arm at the very top of your available lending amount, i think you are ignorant.

im not saying YOU, im saying the person that did it. and the also the lender.

people who are getting creamed in the real estate market oftentimes have themselves to blame.

maybe im just more conservative than others. maybe ive just placed a priority on livng below my means in order to invest.

and if the darwin reference really threw you that much, we have little to say to each other.

yes... as a double major in bio and chem i do understand Darwin wasnt talking to the finches about arm's. duh.

kp2171

are you really b!tching about the fact i think our servicemen and women dont get the public support they deserve?

clueless.

kp2171

uh... people running for election say what the hell ever they think they need to... gop or dem.

kp2171

ok.. lets replace "martyr" with "whining b!tch"...

again... if you made a really bad financial decision, such as borrowing WAY more than you should have, expecting home prices to ALWAYS go skyrocketing higher..

i think YOU are the number one person to blame.

i think no matter how many banks want to court me, im going to make a decision based on fiscal responsibility.

now.. in the spirit of the thread, prez bush is an idiot on this matter... but so are many of the people who thought buying real estate when its red hot at its top dollar.

like it or not, the people who signed their names to bad decisions are, in part to blame...

that doesnt mean to prez isnt an idiot.

BABRAM

Kp2171- I said a small percentage, perhaps five or less, which is by far lesser than the Vietnam dynamic.



Now if your going to make a comment, just explain yourself. For example: a passing statement about "Darwin," which may have meaning, reads like gibberish. Sorry if you get offended with your double major bio and chem degree blah blah blah, but I need to understand your reasoning. It may actually be relative to the post. If you could just back up your statements with something tangible, I'd be glad to accommodate having a civil discussion. I've tried, but you don't seem to know how.




No, let's not. Let's speak in terms of respect, not adolescence. Those people, for the most part were ignorant, but many were taken advantage of. And again the bigger picture is that it still effects YOU. You do live in a neighborhood.




You're contradicting yourself. Those mortgage companies, earlier, YOU said some are greedy. That was MY point.




I know YOU don't understand this, but some people have to be protected from themselves because of predator loan sharks. While I read the fine print, often young first time buyers and little grandmothers sometime don't, nor do they often understand loan terms.




I've got to go now and bless my son a good night. I have a long day of ahead of me at the credit office tomorrow, in the department where I work. I won't waste any more time on this post and quite frankly I'm bored with the dialogue. So I'll call it a night. Please take what I've mentioned as constructive criticism, if you will. It seems when this post started that I was one of the few, if not the only one so far, that gave a detailed general analysis of some good things and bad things that has involved Bush's presidency. Again I'm grading him a "C+"; he's not the best I've seen, nor the worst.





Bobby