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Recently, the Appeals Court approved the loss of YOUR Habeas Corpus rights. That’s right, I said YOURS.
Hold on, excon, you say. The habeas corpus rights that were taken away, were taken away from foreigners who are held in foreign prisons. YOU and I, excon, still have OUR habeas corpus rights, you say.
By the way, habeas corpus (a bedrock of American law), is the last available method a prisoner has to challenge his imprisonment in court.
So, you and I still have OUR habeas corpus rights, you say. Well what happens if the CIA (who rightly or wrongly thinks you're NOT an American) picks you up in the middle of the night and whisks you off to, say Cuba? Since you aren’t ever going to see a judge, who are you going to tell about your habeas corpus rights?
If some people don't have habeas corpus rights, none of us do. Come on righty's, tell me I'm wrong.
I tend to lean to the right and I agree with you. Any one of us could hear a knock on the door and there is someone we have never seen before and told to come with them. Hopefully that does not happen, but it HAS happened to some people who were wrongly held and questioned. So never say it can never happen to you/me/them.
The right to courts have not be given to many people over the years, During WWII we did not give them to german or japanese prisones either.
Also the japanese american citizesn ( actual citizens) were imprisioned during WWII without any rights to the court.
The Korean prisoners during that war, or the VC during Nam were not given any rights to US courts eithter
I see little difference between past war time rulings and the current rulings. And it has not destroyed america over the past 60 years from these happening
German-Americans were interred during WWII also - there was an old fort here in Bismarck that was converted to a camp. The only reason my Grandfathers were not interred was because they were farmers and the crops were needed. My Father and two of his brothers served in WWII and that did not make an impression on whoever in the world was deciding who to inter.
I don't get it....maybe it's because I don't watch TV...expecially "news".
Seems to me that the OP hinges on "what if". Can't anyone can say "what if" and make anything sound bad?
Admittedly, I'm mostly in the dark not being sure what law or policy is being referred to...or what, in a simple sentence, GWB supposedly did that prompted the post.
Too, I'm always left in wonder when I hear a complaint that a President (not just GWB, but any President) did this or that. I'm no Poly Sci guru, but I did not know that a President could change a law or take away a right.
When a voter is ticked off at a new or changed law or policy, he'd better look at not only the President who supported it, but every person responsible for backing it or voting for it. If one focuses on only the president, he or she has been duped.
Where do you think I get it? I'm not smart enough to come up with it myself.
Plus, I have to tell you, that I'm proud of your Supreme Court for voting 9 to zip yesterday, against the policies of George W. Bush, and restoring the very rights I'm talking about. There is sanity in the world after all.
Seems to me that the OP hinges on "what if". Can't anyone can say "what if" and make anything sound bad?
sorry...end of rant
Hello Rick:
You're a moderator. You're allowed to rant......
You are absolutely right. What if the government violated your rights? Furthermore, I suggest that you're correct in the notion that most people never need their Constitutional rights. But ALL of them, not just this one, are based on a "what if" scenario.
And, it isn't "what if" to the people that it actually happens to, and there are such people - even if only a few. Or do you deny that there are any? The Bill of Rights was written for the few who run into the jaws of government - not the many who don't. I think we need to fight for them even though we may never need them.
excon
PS> I didn't know the president could take away one of our Constitutional rights either, but he did. If we don't do something to restore them, they're gone forever.....
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