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Old Feb 23, 2007, 06:40 PM
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George Bush took YOUR Habeas Corpus rights

Hello:

Recently, the Appeals Court approved the loss of YOUR Habeas Corpus rights. That’s right, I said YOURS.

Hold on, excon, you say. The habeas corpus rights that were taken away, were taken away from foreigners who are held in foreign prisons. YOU and I, excon, still have OUR habeas corpus rights, you say.

By the way, habeas corpus (a bedrock of American law), is the last available method a prisoner has to challenge his imprisonment in court.

So, you and I still have OUR habeas corpus rights, you say. Well what happens if the CIA (who rightly or wrongly thinks you're NOT an American) picks you up in the middle of the night and whisks you off to, say Cuba? Since you aren’t ever going to see a judge, who are you going to tell about your habeas corpus rights?

If some people don't have habeas corpus rights, none of us do. Come on righty's, tell me I'm wrong.

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Old Feb 24, 2007, 04:04 PM   #11  
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Doesn't a US president have veto power? If he thought it were a bad thing would he not veto it?
That's how it should work, and for the most part has worked until now, but GWB has taken to issuing a "signing statement" when he signs a law that says which parts of it he agrees with and intends to enforce, and which parts he asserts are unconstitutional constraints on his "unitary executive" powers, and which he therefore will not enforce on others or comply with himself. This is insidious, because the only way to get judicial review of the President's unilateral determination of the law's unconsitutionality is for somebody with legal standing to suffer harm and file suit asking the Court to enjoin the Executive to enforce and obey the law as written and signed.

As to whose rights have been taken away, the answer is everyone's, because the President has asserted the right, and Congress (to their everlasting shame) has passed a law that gives him the right to designate ANYBODY WHOMSOEVER (US citizen, legal resident alien, or foreigner) as an "enemy combatant". This designation automatically deprives them of any access to the courts to challenge the declaration of their status, or to see and challenge any evidence of crimes they may be suspected of. It is now completely legal in the United States of America for the Executive Branch of government, on its own determination and initiative, to declare ANYONE to be an "enemy combatant", sieze them off the street or from their home, lock them up for the rest of their life, and never reveal the reason for their siezure or even the fact that it took place--no review, no rebuttal, no appeal.
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lets talk about the 8 yrs clinton ruined the country. seems the dems don't like to discuss that.

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I'm not American but I do like the majority of Americans I've met, so I thought I'd just chuck this into the debate;

Fascist America, in 10 easy steps | Special reports | Guardian Unlimited

Enjoy!

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lets talk about the 8 yrs clinton ruined the country. seems the dems don't like to discuss that.
Hello gaze:

So, that excuses Georgie? No, it doesn't. Haven't you right wingers heard the phrase "two wrongs don't make a right"? Nope, no you haven't.

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