This MoveOn.org ad states, "Every independent report on the ground situation in Iraq shows that the surge strategy has failed."

That is a bald-faced lie. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't MoveOn at the forefront of the "Bush lied" and the "support our troops" movements? Now they outright lie and attack an honorable soldier in an ad?

speechlesstx

No prob, I was just wondering if you knew where YOU were.

tomder55

The Unbearable Lightness of Intellect at Moveon.Org
Rick Moran
How truly stupid can you be.

American Thinker Blog: The Unbearable Lightness of Intellect at Moveon.Org

With nearly 70% of the American people basically on their side of the Iraq War debate, Moveon.Org has done surge supporters the biggest favor possible by making perhaps one of the biggest political goofs in recent memory.

The liberal group's ad in yesterday's New York Times sliming General Petraus has caused a monumnetal backlash against the left, causing even some of their most fervent supporters on the Hill to run for cover. And now the GOP, smelling blood, have introduced a measure condemning the Moveon ad and the organization itself for its smear tactics:


The resolution, authored by Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio), is cosponsored by 11 Republicans, including Reps. Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.), the ranking member of the Armed Services Committee, and Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.), the ranking member of the Foreign Affairs panel.

“The despicable attack MoveOn.org launched against General Petraeus today should be condemned by all Members of Congress, including the Democratic leadership,” Boehner said. “I urge Members on both sides of the aisle to join in support of this resolution so the House speaks with one voice rejecting the character assassination tactics employed by this extremist group.”


What a Godsend to the Republicans. By focusing attention on the dirty tactics of the left, Democratic Congressmen who themselves were questioning General Petreaus's veracity yesterday must now tread more softly lest they too are lumped in with the loons from Moveon.Org.

Robert E. Lee supposedly said he would rather face a stupid general than an incompetent one. Now we know why.

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Excon .Your comments about the Iraqi government does not take into account the historic agreement that al-Maliki was able to forge between the various factions over a number of issues that divide them .Seems to me he accomplished more during his summer recess than Harry Reid and San Fran Nan Pelosi did on theirs.

speechlesstx

All we are saying, is give Petraeus a chance...

Ex, I'm all for getting along, would you tell MoveOn and, Harry Reid and co. what that means?


No, no, no. I think we've all admitted mistakes and things we wish were done differently so that won't fly. I am like you ready to get along and at least start acting like we're on the same side. The right has called for that many times, the left only cares about winning elections.

speechlesstx

It's a Godsend if they manage to do something with it. I think we should all write, call and otherwise hammer our congressmen to get on board with this resolution.

alkalineangel

I think we should do what the soldiers want...make all these nay-sayers get in the trenches and fight with them...let them see what its like, then tell the general he's doing wrong...

alkalineangel

No disrespect to your opinion Excon, but I know several soldiers who are there and say otherwise. I support my troops and appreciate their sacrifices, and I would rather listen to them than the politicians and anti-war groups. Most of them are still of the belief that they are doing good. I think there are few who will say we are "winning" this war, but in this case, is there really a win?

tomder55

latest editororial by Kathleen Parker :

On the sixth anniversary of the 9-11 attacks, Americans were treated to two starkly contrasting images that speak centuries of difference between the U.S. and its enemies.

In Frame One, we see Gen. David Petraeus testifying before Congress on the status of the war in Iraq. In Frame Two is Osama bin Laden in a new video -- resplendent in white robes, his beard recently rinsed dark to conceal the gray -- promising that Islam will subjugate the West.

One an image of courage, integrity and honor; the other a caricature of manhood.

Then there is a third frame. It is a full-page ad in Monday's New York Times placed by MoveOn.org and attacking Petraeus' integrity: "General Petraeus or General Betray Us?" reads the caption. And then, "Cooking the Books for the White House."

The fog of war, it seems, has seeped into the left wing of the blogosphere.

One may disagree with the war -- and even find informed fault with Petraeus' report -- but impugning the character of the war's commanding officer while American forces are still fighting is what's known as betrayal. If Petraeus were ordering the mass murder of civilians, this would be a different matter. But last time we checked, American forces were fighting to prevent innocent people from getting killed.

Thus, the ad reveals more about the character of those who placed it than it does of Petraeus. It also reveals a dangerous lack of judgment. Put it this way: If Petraeus is viewed as the bad guy, will they know evil when they see it? (Hint: It has a beard and lives in a cave.)

Because bin Laden and Petraeus hit the same news cycle -- and no, I'm not suggesting that Iraq had anything to do with 9-11 -- it is convenient and instructive to compare the two men. Visually, they are opposites. One is bearded and operates in shadow. The other, clean-shaven and open-faced, operates in full daylight, exposed and open to scrutiny.

They are night and day, darkness and light.

"Virtually impotent" were the well-chosen words homeland security adviser Frances Fragos Townsend used to describe bin Laden, saying he's a man on the run, living in a cave.

Impotence is a strong word for a woman to use around men, but it is apt here in multiple ways. Impotence gets to the heart of a deeper matter -- bin Laden's sense that he has been minimized by external forces. Freedom is his boogeyman. His need to control others is symptomatic of deep-rooted insecurities.

It is appropriate, meanwhile, that he is a cave dweller. The cave -- both Plato's allegorical house of illusion and primitive man's earliest shelter -- is a proper home for a delusional man trapped in the distant past. Bin Laden and his cohorts are the embodiment of the primitive, infantile male, acting out their frustrations through cowardly barbarism.

It may take a certain kind of courage to fly an airplane into a building, but it takes no courage to murder defenseless people whose crime was getting to work on time. Yet, on the tape released Tuesday, bin Laden praises one of the hijackers of Flight 11, saying that the dead man "recognized the truth."

"It is true that this young man was little in years, but the faith in his heart was big," says bin Laden.

Giving the devil his due, bin Laden is crafty. He flatters young men, promising virgins in the afterlife, then convinces them to strap on bombs or fly planes into buildings. The young men die and bin Laden gets a new outfit. Quite a trick.

In another contrast, bin Laden wants to subjugate the world, while Petraeus leads men and women who want to release the world from subjugation. One fights for the submission of others; the other fights for their liberation.

You don't have to be an American exceptionalist to recognize that there is a difference. One is good, the other is not.

In fairness, MoveOn's ad was aimed at the Iraq war and wasn't intended, either by omission or commission, to be a commentary on bin Laden. But the distorted judgment that prompted an attack on Petraeus as America relives the horrors of 9-11 hints at a sinister alignment with darker forces.

Bin Laden must be very pleased. He could not have done better himself.


The good, the bad and the very ugly -- OrlandoSentinel.com

speechlesstx

I don't always agree with Kathleen's positions on things but when she's on she's dead on. Nicely done Ms. Parker.

In two days of reporting in my paper on the Petraeus report, I've learned more about what Petreus didn't say, what I should think about what little they've reported he did say, and what Democratic Presidential candidates on the committee think than what the general has said. I intend to write my paper about this. It would be nice to get some more news and less analysis of what news they report. It would also be nice if congressmen would spend more time actually listening to the general and ambassador instead of campaigning during the "hearing."

And speaking of bin Laden, did you by chance happen to come across this column by Rod Dreher of the Dallas Morning News?

speechlesstx

Rudy apparently got his NY Times space for the same price as MoveOn. For now the ad can be seen here. He takes on Hillary and her comments to Gen. Petraeus, basically calling him a stooge and a liar:


Personally I find believing anything Hillary says requires a willing suspension of disbelief, as did Jack Reed's response to Bush's speech last night:


"The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States." Or at least that's what the constitution says.

Did any of you catch Rudy on Hannity and Colmes last night?


Indeed.

tomder55

I'd say Rudy had a productive day K O to Hillary ;the Slimes ,and Move on.org with a single blow ! I think the next move should be some group demand that the difference between the discount rate and the rate normally charged be investigated by the IRS as a possible campaign donation violation or taxable income to Moveon.org.

BTW nice pick up taking Brandon Jacobs from my scrap heap. Maybe I would've kept him if there wasn't talk of both him and Eli being out for extended periods.