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Nov 13, 2007, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Dark_crow Is there a “Jewish Race”…. | I don’t believe it’s a race, but rather, I believe it’s a belief system. That’s why I don’t consider a malicious human being a Jew even if they tell the world that they are "Jewish". I think being Jewish is, instead, a great "mindset". So, I don’t consider those men who stole millions, to be Jewish. But some of the things that are being pointed out by other people posting, I think, lean towards people thinking it’s racial?
I, instead, think that black, white, Chinese, whatever - you can be a Jew. Being a Jew isn’t only reserved for middle easterners. Also, there have been many changes in the Jewish religion, such as the role of women. So, practices, interpretations and rules can vary and do change. I would rather further discuss this in a post devoted to religion.
And Wolverine, I understand what you are saying about the actions of one bad Jew being able to be reflected on all Jews. But, I don’t agree that this is right. Those men, in my opinion, are not truly Jewish. I’m going to talk about this in another post if you want to start one. I don’t want to go off on an big tangent here and make this post about Judaism.
And Scott, yes, you are right that these past few days I've actually been posting under politics. I'm not sure what else to say in regards to that. But yes, confirmed.
I think what Hillary did was rotten. I like some of the things Ron Paul has to say. | | |  | Expert | |
Nov 13, 2007, 03:08 PM
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Nov 13, 2007, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by excon Hello Duck:
If it's NOT a race, how come I can (for the most part) pick Jewish people out of a crowd by their faces?
excon | But of course you can;  problem is a geneticist cannot; regardless of what Elliot says about having a Jewish mother alone makes you a Jew. What makes a Jew is exactly what makes a Republican….beliefs. Never mind that Duckling is all wet about what makes a person religious. Duckling is confusing what might be termed a sinner in someone’s eyes, as, being no longer a religious person. | | |  | Computer Expert and Renaissance Man | |
Nov 13, 2007, 04:22 PM
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Duckling,
You aren't paying attention. It doesn't matter what you believe its what Jewish law says. Practicing Judaism as a religion is a belief system. But a person can be a jew and not practice Judaism as a religion. | | |  | Senior Member | |
Nov 14, 2007, 07:47 AM
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Nov 14, 2007, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by ETWolverine Well Hitler certainly thought so.
In fact, throughout history, anti-Semites of all stripes have had an uncanny ability to find out who was and who was not Jewish, despite the fact that Jews throughout history have been great at blending into any society. In Germany, we sought to be (in the worrds of Abba Ebin) more German than the Germans. Hitler found us anyway. In France, we were perfect Frenchmen. It didn't stop anti-Semitism in the wake of the Dreyfus affair. In Poland, Russia, etc. We were as much a part of those societies as anyone, indestinguishable from all others. But somehow the anti-Semites always were able to figure out who we were.
Is being Jewish a racial thing? I don't know. But it isn't an isolated case, DC. Whether its racial, tribal, religious, or something else, we have always been "obvious" to the Jew haters of history.
Elliot | Elliot, we are using reference from two different paradigms; you from a social and me from a scientific. Yours is sometime or often right, mine is always right, up to the present time anyway. Which is the better view, I believe mine because it will lead to a better relationship between different peoples, and the case of the American black community is an example. | | |  | Senior Member | |
Nov 14, 2007, 08:39 AM
| | | The problem with the scientific view in this case, DC, is that it doesn't take into consideration the socio-political realities of racism.
You are quite correct from a scientific standpoint... Jusaism isn't a single racial makeup. (Though I will aregue in some other string that there is a definite genetic component to Judaism.) But it doesn't matter that scientifically we aren't a single race if we are seen as such in the real world by real people with real hatreds of Jews.
The facts "on the ground" show that people who hate Jews will always be able to identify them regardless of whether they are a genetic "race" or not.
So yes, your scientific point of view is correct as far as it goes. But the lab isn't the real world. And in the real world the scientific point of view on this issue doesn't really matter to those who hate Jews.
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Nov 14, 2007, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by ETWolverine The problem with the scientific view in this case, DC, is that it doesn't take into consideration the socio-political realities of racism.
You are quite correct from a scientific standpoint... Jusaism isn't a single racial makeup. (Though I will aregue in some other string that there is a definite genetic component to Judaism.) But it doesn't matter that scientifically we aren't a single race if we are seen as such in the real world by real people with real hatreds of Jews.
The facts "on the ground" show that people who hate Jews will always be able to identify them regardless of whether they are a genetic "race" or not.
So yes, your scientific point of view is correct as far as it goes. But the lab isn't the real world. And in the real world the scientific point of view on this issue doesn't really matter to those who hate Jews.
Elliot | Elliot
Promoting the concept that there is a race of people termed Jews is promoting racism. You did not respond to my comments about the Black Race.
The idea that the Black race was inferior promoted racism in America for many years, and it is the same with the concept Jewish Race.
The Real World as you term itSocial Reality, is a world created by humans, and its malleable, and so long as people continue to refer to people as belonging to a particular race, the world cannot rid itself of racism. | | |  | Junior Member | |
Nov 14, 2007, 07:11 PM
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Promoting the concept that there is a race of people termed Jews is promoting racism. You did not respond to my comments about the | | |  | Senior Member | |
Nov 15, 2007, 06:47 AM
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