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Old Dec 18, 2005, 03:57 AM
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Canadian politics!

We are coming to an election in the new year. We have had 12 years of liberal rule which I do realize may be good for the finances of Canada, but in whole is not good for morality of our country, or the safety of our country. The liberal government has promised many things and never delivered, they have been enshrouded in scams and scandels yet the polls still support this. How can this be. Why are people so afraid of kicking out government when they do not deliver when they stole much of the tax payers money for buying peoples votes. How do these guys get a way with all of this. Liberal party is painting the concervative party as the big scary guy that wants to take all the rights away of the gays and lesbians. I do believe personally though that is one of the issues that I think and personally feel that traditional marriage, man and women should be upheld. To many people see this one issue and I guess our country has many people who have decided to live that lifestyle and have turned away from the conservatives. So there you go. Conservatives have another problem because they are pro american, and they want to work well with our neighbours in the south, but the liberals are trying to paint the conservatives in the same pod as the american government which is seen as scary because most canadians do not agree with the american government and his policies.

I know polls can change and There have been surprised landslide losses for people who they thought were going to win, but the way it is looking is like there will be almost tied. Liberals and conservatives. I also think we have too many possible parties. Liberals, conservatives, NDP, Bloc, and Green party. I also wish that if conservatives win that they will adopt an american style rules for governing, example having a limit of how many times a certain person can run and lead a country.

What do you think about this and do any of you have any ideas.


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fredg agrees: Very good comments, and questions! Much to be concerned about.
greenforest agrees: This can be the end of country name Canada
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Old Dec 18, 2005, 04:55 PM   #11  
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From what you wrote about the Conservative party it sounds like the worse of the two.
We have had a Liberal ( read Conservative ) government in Australia since 1996.
They are pro-American and discriminate against people of a different sexuality. They have also been embroiled in scandal, but not as severe as your government.

The problem right around the western world is that people tend to change their vote only when the economy is in downturn. In other words, they'll think about their financial security above all else.
Ultra-capitalism has made people a selfish lot.
It doesn't seem anything can rock a government; as long as people are making money thats all that seems to matter.

By the way, the more political parties the better. The major parties have minor differences but at the end of the day all they do is pander to the moronic middle ground
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The problem right around the western world is that people tend to change their vote only when the economy is in downturn.
That is so true. That is why the Liberal government will probably win another minority government, b/c the Cdn economy isnt that bad.
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So what do all my fellow Canadians think about this new Liberal scandal? Personally I'm disgusted. It won't change the way I vote, because I'm still voting NDP (they have a good chance to win in my riding). However, Stephen Harper and the Conservative Party is looking better and better to me all the time, at least for a minority government.
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Yes, a Harper minority would be the best outcome.

The new Liberal scandal? What else is new? Between the Mint fiasco, the Belinda defection, they are just plagued with problems.

But how is this a new scandal? There was talk about the Goodale leak back on Nov 24 (the day after he made his announcement). To be fair to the Minister, I am sure that HE didn’t do the leaking. It was probably someone in his staff. Although, hes a politician, and I really don’t trust any of them.

Harper’s plan for that Arctic is a good one. He proposes we buy an ice breaker!!! It’s a sad state of affairs when we in Canada don’t have any ice breakers for any of our 40 yr old British subs.
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But how is this a new scandal? There was talk about the Goodale leak back on Nov 24 (the day after he made his announcement).
Oh LOL I guess it's just new to me, then. I only heard about it today.

Well I hope Stephen Harper is a good prime minister. Actually it won't take much for him to be better than the Liberals though LOL.
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Steven Harper scares me

I fear for Canada if Steven Harper becomes our Prime Minister. His standpoint on women's rights, gay marriage and the health care system are very frightening. I believe he would have Canada modelled 100% around the U.S. (This is NOT to offend our American friends!!) We are lucky in Canada to be able to seek medical attention immediately without worrying about the financial repercussions. I live in Newfoundland where there is a very high rate of unemployment and I worry about the people who could not afford to seek medical attention. I imagine a whole province full of people who can not afford treatment for cancer, or AIDS or MS. It is a bleak picture. And don't get me started on women's rights, or gay marriage!! I also fear Stephen Harper is a "true politician"....he makes the promise of cutting the GST...by 2011...that would be his SECOND term!! Whose to say he will even get a second term. What is going to do for us NOW, not five years from now. I realize that the Liberals have made some pretty big mistakes in the past couple of years but at least they have a vision for Canada that is still Canadian. If I wanted to live in the U.S., I'd have moved there years ago. At least they have practice at it!! As my mother likes to say, "Sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don't!" To that I say, "I'm with you, Mom!!"

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Mrs. Pennell, I think you are confused about a few of Harper issues.

GST
He said he would cut the GST to 6% immediately (from the current 7) and then by 2011, it would be reduced to 5%. Do you believe him? Didn't Jean Chretein and the Liberals promise to eliminate it back in 1993? They are all liars.

WOMAN’S RIGHTS
What are you afraid of on this? I know Harper has said he will not bring back the abortion debate, so I am confused as to what else you could be referring to.

HEALTH CARE
Harper has said he supports public health. And I agree with you, we do need public health care. But let's not kid ourselves. Our free health care system is a joke and it needs to be fixed. Or at least a 2 tier system. My grandmother waited over a year for her knee surgery in constant pain, that is disgusting under any circumstance.

INCOME TRUSTS
Have you heard about this latest Liberal scandal?

If you don’t want to vote for Harper, then you should consider Jack Layton and the NDP. At least Jack is somewhat more honest than Paul Martin.
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Captain Forest,

Thanks for clearing up some of my misconceptions. You have certainly given me something to think about.

What do you propose as an alternative to our current health care situation. I would be interested to know your ideas on this. I remember a time when MCP covered eye exams in my province. Now there is a fee for this service which many people cannot afford. I would hate to think that this would become a common issue, especially when many many people do not have any health insurance.

I watched the leadership debate and was, frankly, unimpressed by all candidates. Do you believe Stephen Harper to be the BEST choice or the lesser of two evils? This is how I feel about Paul Martin...I certainly don't entertain any fantasies about him being the BEST choice for our country but I am more comfortable with him then Harper. I will, however, at your prompting, do some more research about both candidates.

Thanks for your interesting points!
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I agree with your earlier posting, Captain Forest. I believe the Conservatives have gone too far to the right. I would be much more likely to vote for them had they not gone it that direction. As a provincial government, they are doing good things for Newfoundland. Too bad really...
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Well, as I've stated before, I'm a staunch NDP, even leaning towards the Green Party, but I will vote NDP because they have a good chance in this riding.

Stephen Harper has always kind of creeped me out, but he's creeping me out less since Christmas for some reason... and now Paul Martin is starting to creep me out, haha. I have a feeling Harper will definitely be prime minister, and I'm relieved that I feel okay about that. I really hope though that he will not do anything harmful to Canada, as far as human rights issues and medicare go especially. I'm not so against him because he's conservative (my father was a PC conservative), but because he's a former member of the Alliance Party and we had a LOT of Alliance Party people here in my city and THEY are SCARY!!! Anti-gay, pro-life, Christian prayer in public schools... were some the platforms of the local alliance leader as I recall. I'm not saying I'm against all those issues necessarily, but I believe strongly in the separation of church and government. And anytime anyone in the government talks about "family values" it bothers me. Like whose family values are they talking about?? Their own, obviously, and their own personal views shouldn't be made into public policy.

Mrs. Pennell, you don't have to worry about the abortion issue with Stephen Harper, like CaptainForest said, he stated that he was not going to touch the issue. And even if he tried, he wouldn't get very far. There would be a huge outcry in the country if it was made illegal again, and I'm sure he knows that.
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