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Old Jan 22, 2008, 01:18 PM
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Can a Fascist State exist in the world today?

I don’t think it is possible for a Fascist State to exist in the world today, not only because of the techno-informatic revolution in telecommunications but there's also globalization, especially in the economic arena, that has allowed us to put Fascism behind us. There can exist Fascist movements, but not States.

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Old Jan 23, 2008, 04:02 AM   #11  
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That is what philosophers do…make semantical distinctions in order to get closer to the truth.
Hello DC:

Oh, so THAT'S what you're doing. Dude! Now I understand why I don't understand you. You're a philosopher.

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If they survive the polonium coctail perhaps they will make a difference there .
Sad, but probably true.
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That is the crisis in American Politics today....will America become a Fascist State??? Bush/Neo-Con/Christian Republio-Fascists versus the Democratic Liberal Movement.....the Republicans continue working for a Corprorate/Government alliance spreading the "American Empire" all over the globe(under the guise of spreading democracy, how ironic!) so that our economic system can continue to expand and bring in corporate profits. Our economic system will succeed or fail depending on a few variables...a couple being the price and availability of oil, and continued rise in the stock market thru Yuppie retirement, future resource wars, etc..
Interesting that you offer the alleged "Bush/Neo-Con/Christian Republio-Fascists" vision but not the "Democratic Liberal Movement's" vision. I'm guessing that's because this "liberal" vision is more in line with fascism than your claim against the right. No, it isn't the right that's working for a "fascist" state, the "f-bomb" you release is nothing more than what Rich Lowry states:

The operational meaning of the word “fascism” for most liberals who invoke it is usually “shut up.” It’s meant to bludgeon conservatives into silence.

Take from this liberal's ideas to Make the USA Better for instance:

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# Big Corporations that are out of control will lose personhood rights and be treated as the inhuman, soulless, potential dangerous things that they are. They will be taxed and regulated to protect and favor humans.

# privatized industries and resources will be evaluated and many will be de-privatized and reinstated as government owned-- owned by the people, not a handful of wealthy individuals, or worse, soul-less corporate holding companies.

# The Wealthy will pay taxes for the privilege of becoming or remaining wealthy in the US. They don't do it themselves. They do it because of the US's economy, resources, laws and government.

# Inheritance Taxes big-time increases on the wealthiest families only-- over X million dollars-- so most . The idea of "death taxes" is a lie. Birth is not a privilege. If your parents are rich, you'll benefit as a child. After they die, estates that are greater than 98% of other people's estates should be taxed at a very high rate. That will still leave descendants as millionaires, but not so powerful that they can corrupt democracy.

# Farming: Small farmers will be helped, with cooperation encouraged. Big farm combines and corporations will be at a tax disadvantage. Small businesses are the future. Big businesses are a danger to democracy, to humanity. They must be restrained and phased out, to be replaced by tamed versions-- small businesses that join together as cooperatives.
He's not done yet. Regulate the media, reverse privatization, re-regulate. On the Ecology, create taxes. On energy, create taxes. On taxes, create taxes. On travel, create taxes. So far, making the US "better" involves penalties for success, theft, oppression and censorship - all government sanctioned.

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A fascist dictatorship is the best way for America to go according to quite a few......
Who exactly would that be? What's funny (not really) is while so many on the left are publicly fretting over the "Bush dictatorship," they give true dictators a pass - like Saddam Hussein. In fact, it seems they're in love with some dictators, Chavez, Ahmadinejad, Assad, Castro. Why is that? In fact, why do they love Che Guevara so much?

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People of many different political stripes blamed laissez-faire capitalism for the Great Depression, and fascists promoted their ideology as a "third way" between capitalism and Marxian socialism.[
That is true . To take it one step further ;HG Wells ,a progressive thinkers (socialists ) ,wanted 'liberal fascism'.

H.G. Wells's 'Liberal Fascism'

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[SIZE=-1]University of Warwick, UK [/SIZE]
During the 1930s H.G. Wells's theory of revolutionary praxis centred around a concept of 'liberal fascism' whereby the Wellsian 'liberal' utopia would be achieved by an authoritarian élite. Taking inspiration from the militarized political movements of the 1930s, this marked a development in the Wellsian theory of revolution from the 'open conspiracy' of the 1920s. Although both communist and fascist movements evinced some of the desired qualities of a Wellsian vanguard, it was fascism rather than communism which came closest to Wells's ideal. However, in practice, despite the failure of approaches to parties of the left and centre as possible agents of revolution, Wells rejected the British Union of Fascists. The disparity between Wells's theory and his actions when faced by the reality of fascism echoes the unresolved tension between ends and means at the heart of the concept of 'liberal fascism'. H.G. Wells's 'Liberal Fascism' -- Coupland 35 (4): 541 -- Journal of Contemporary History

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We need an intellectual historian to weigh in: I wonder where FDR's mind was in all of this? And Eleanor's as well?
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George ; a good read I suspect on this subject was recently penned by Jonah Goldberg

Amazon.com: Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning: Books: Jonah Goldberg
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Choux, given that a person knows what freedom is, most will choose it over Fascism every time. Globealism has reached the point where entire bodies of people cannot be held in ignorance of freedom by a government any longer. We can still have authoritarianism and despotic regimes; we can still have Fascist movements, but not a Fascist government.
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Choux, given that a person knows what freedom is, most will choose it over Fascism every time.
Hello DC Philosopher:

Maybe you should stick with beach combing, cause as a philosopher, you suck.

I suggest to you that most people can't handle freedom. They WANT some authority to tell them what to do. As an example, we live in a free country, yet most of our citizens need a strong church to tell them what to do. If there wasn't a church, they'd probably want a STRONG government.

Nope. I think it's a very rare individual who chooses freedom. I happen to be one of 'em.

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I have found that I am more comfortable within a group who attend church than those who don't. I also have elected to live within a community that has a fire department and police department, municipal water, sewerage, and trash pickup. We also have zoning. There are those who are willing to give up some liberty to have order. So I don't define freedom as living in the country, having a house fire, calling the volunteer fire department, and we all gather around and watch it burn to the ground. Where we agree, I hope, is in our desire for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

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excon agrees: We don't disagree. Given your liberalisim, you like a strong government too - certainly the POLICE function of government. No??
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