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Well, if you are not a terrorist or a criminal then what are you concerned about. Even if you where a criminal (US Citizen) then the wiretapping would not affect you becuase it only focused on terrorism and if something outside of that was discovered it would be dropped in our court system. Also, how do you think they wiretape. It is a computer that only keys on specific words to known areas of interest. Only when it meets a specific criteria does a human listen. So call the adult 800 number will be ignored.
It is really amazing how clueless people are in the U.S. and how quickly the forgot about 9/11. I am not saying the Bush is perfect or even the greatest President for he has made some mistakes with policies. What I am glad of was he was the President when we where attacked. This time we may have entered Iraq without the full truth (ie WMD) but two things are important. We stopped the genocide for the Iraqi people and we took the conflict with the fundamentalist away from the U.S. If it was not us taking the fight to the region these radicals are from then it would be here within our borders.
Excuse me, but I find it very hard to forget about 9/11. You see I was in the South Tower that morning. And no, I am not glad that he was president then. I will never be glad that Bush was president.
And for the record, I totally support our actions in Afghanistan. But Iraq was not justified in any way. There has been no proof that Sadaam had links to Al Qaeda. Nor is there any proof we have forestalled attacks on the US. So what you are saying is that its OK to send our trrops to Iraq and have them die there then trying to defend our borders? Sorry, but that doesn't fly with me.
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Originally Posted by RetiredNavy
Well, if you are not a terrorist or a criminal then what are you concerned about. Even if you where a criminal (US Citizen) then the wiretapping would not affect you becuase it only focused on terrorism and if something outside of that was discovered it would be dropped in our court system. Also, how do you think they wiretape. It is a computer that only keys on specific words to known areas of interest. Only when it meets a specific criteria does a human listen. So call the adult 800 number will be ignored.
You miss the point. The point is the disregard for the Constitution. I've been stopped and had my bag checked going thru Penn Station. I don't object because that is legal and because I have nothing to hide. But I object to breaking the law in the name of alledgedly protecting our rights. Can't you see the paradox of violating our rights to protect them?
NO SIR! Not I. I cherish our freedoms, our rights. I am aware that those rights and freedoms make us vulnerable. But I would rather be vulnerable than have my rights constrained.
It is strange that all of the sudden you where involved in 9/11 (I dont believe) but I have spent 20 years serving in the Navy have been involved in the Libyan conflict, 1st Gulf war, Kosovo, Afghanistan, and the current war. So the answer is an astonishly "YES".
The comment is not an attack but a comment of someone speaking of a the President of the U.S. when they themselves are not a citizen of the U.S. I did not make an attack of your Queen. , the Royal Family ,etc.
I voted for GWB twice; the first time because I could not stomach ALGOR, the inventor of the internet; the second time because I don't consider Swift Boat Kerry to be an honorable man. I am sorely disappointed in the performance of GWB. His main failure was not listening to Colin Powell, and trying to do Iraq on the cheap (without sufficient forces). His goal to establish a bastion of freedom in a part of the world that seems mired in the 8th century was noble, if poorly executed. In 76 I voted for Carter because I thought him to be a man of character. He proved to be sadly incompetent, but still a good man. The villification of GWB and his MOTIVES is sad, to say the least. Do you remember FDR who locked up Japanese and German US citizens in WWII? If we had CNN and the foreign affairs experts from Hollywood calling the plays after D-Day, the US would have folded their tent as soon as the carnage at Normandy was aired. If I had to pick the next president, I would have to go with Joe Biden, because he seems to offer the only realistic solution to the mess that Iraq has become.
It is strange that all of the sudden you where involved in 9/11 (I dont believe) but I have spent 20 years serving in the Navy have been involved in the Libyan conflict, 1st Gulf war, Kosovo, Afghanistan, and the current war. So the answer is an astonishly "YES".
No its NOT all of a sudden. There was no need for me to mention it before. I don't talk about it much, but people who have known me for a while and knew me then know its the truth.
There is nothing I can offer to prove it for you. I could tell you the company I work for (I'm still with them) and I could relate exactly what happened to me, but I doubt if that will convince you since you have indicated a bias.
I don't have any reason to doubt you, in fact your blind support for Dubya, is typical of those who served in the military.
I'm guessing your Yes answer is to sacrificing our military people rather then defending our borders. You are entitled to feel that way, just as I would rather have put our efforts into in dealing with the reality rather then some imagined threat. I would rather not have sacrificed the young men and women who serve in the military to protect a people that don't like us and don't want us.
Even if you where a criminal (US Citizen) then the wiretapping would not affect you becuase it only focused on terrorism and if something outside of that was discovered it would be dropped in our court system.
Hello Retired:
The above presumes you believe him. I don't - not for a minute. I think they're gonna listen to anyone they damn well please.
You believe him, huh? You were in Iraq? So, how many WMD's did you find?
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PS> Not that it matters, but for your information I spilled a few quarts of my blood in the Vietnamese dirt.
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