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Old Oct 18, 2007, 02:22 PM
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The bleak mood in America….Why

"Americans are still feeling good about a number of things in their lives, but not about the government's leadership," Zogby said. "They are giving up on this government."

"There is a real question among Americans now about how relevant this government is to them," pollster John Zogby said. "They tell us they want action on health care, education, the war and immigration, but they don't believe they are going to get it."

Is it just doldrums over the war and the mid-east situation or what?


Voters unhappy with Bush and Congress | Reuters

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Old Oct 18, 2007, 02:36 PM   #2  
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We are disappointed in our "leadership". And he has given us reason to be. Hence the quotes.
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From an outside point looking in i see a nation living in fear. I see it here in the posters on the political board. Its sad. It really is. Where i live we dont live in that fear. Perhaps it is because we havent been subject to the terrorists attacks the US has. Obviously 9/11 changed things significantly. But i see a government who is playing on that. Milking it for everything it can to control the fear in its citizens to justify its means and policies.

Ill be shot down for these comments by most here. But it will be a perfect example for you to witness the fear i am talking about!

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I think that some people are in fear and some simply are disappointed.
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From an outside point looking in i see a nation living in fear. I see it here in the posters on the political board. Its sad. It really is. Where i live we dont live in that fear. Perhaps it is because we havent been subject to the terrorists attacks the US has. Obviously 9/11 changed things significantly. But i see a government who is playing on that. Milking it for everything it can to control the fear in its citizens to justify its means and policies.

Ill be shot down for these comments by most here. But it will be a perfect example for you to witness the fear i am talking about!


This was in the news today: Bush Warns of World War III, Laughs at Israel’s Bombing of Syria
This is what one reporter had to say.
“Hubris and Fearmongering. Two words that best describe whatever is left of the Bush legacy. David Shuster reports on Bush’s latest belligerent press conference. His contempt for the press is really unprecedented.

“I won’t disagree with you; however the big question is, is it justified? An attack on Iran by the U.S. would be the more likely cause of WWIII.

“Another response: Iranians would inevitably unite, just the same as U.S. citizens would unite if a foreign government had George W. Bush assassinated. A unified Iran would march into Iraq and give a strained U.S. military a run for its money, which would in turn make a military draft in America a necessary certainty.

”At that point, Turkey -- keeper of the U.S.'s supply lines -- would make a full-scale incursion into Kurdish northern Iraq, as the U.S., preoccupied with Iran, would be in no position to object. Israel would hit at Syria and Iran. Egypt and Jordan would declare themselves neutral. Saudi Arabia will face serious internal conflicts, which for the time being would preclude it from entering war on any side. Lebanon would enter into civil war, as Hamas makes its move.

”NATO would fracture, as some member countries would refuse to involve themselves in a conflict which will inevitably reach them, anyway. Russia will seek to annex the more prosperous of its former states. China might find the occasion an opportune one to retake Taiwan, at which point the U.S. declares war on China. Pakistan falls into chaos, as Musharraf finds his powerful Washington allies too busy to lend a hand. And India takes advantage of that fact by seizing Kashmir with overwhelming military force.”

“The Chinese, already at war with the U.S., would be free to go all out, and would decide to avenge the brutal losses inflicted by the Japanese in previous wars. North Korea would invade South Korea. Recognizing chaos when they see it, the U.S. would invade Cuba and move to assassinate Venezuela's president, Chavez.

The Sudanese would finish the genocide in Darfur. Mexico would declare itself neutral, along with Sweden, Germany, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, Brazil, Singapore, Iceland, etc... But even that won't save them. Somewhere along the the line, someone's going to drop a nuclear bomb and one or more countries are going to overreact, and the world will go KABOOM.”
Digg - VIDEO: Bush Warns of World War III, Laughs at Israel’s Bombing of Syria
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Here is an interesting piece I discovered:

“We believe that an independent South, or Hawaii, Alaska, or Vermont would be better able to serve the interest of everybody, regardless of race or ethnicity,” said Michael Hill of Killen, Ala., president of the League of the South.
The Middlebury Institute and the League of the South are hosting a two-day Secessionist Convention that began yesterday in Chattanooga.
They expect to attract supporters from California, Alaska and Hawaii, inviting anyone who wants to dissolve the Union so states can save themselves from an overbearing federal government.

The Middlebury Institute, based in Cold Spring, N.Y., was started in 2005. Its followers, disillusioned by the Iraq war and federal imperialism, share the idea of states becoming independent republics. They contend their movement is growing.
If and when these movements vote for independence and take action to secede — and the Union responds militarily to keep them from seceding — Americans shouldn’t be surprised when China and Russia threaten to bomb the United States in defense of the Vermonters, using the U.S.-set precedent of Kosovo.


Political Mavens » To U.S. Secessionists: Use the U.S.-set Kosovo Precedent
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Bush goes on television yesterday and grins and smiles as he throws out the World War III card, as if Americans and everyone in the world isn't wise to our Fascist administration's tactic of fearmongering and more fear. Everyone waits for his newest lie and the latest fear he is promoting. By the way, on Hardball, the comment was kicked around that Bush was "losing it".....

Incidently, he had a glow about him; a glow like a guy high on something....alcohol, pills....he was GLOWING. I saw that look many, many times on my father when he was drunk. We know the drunken glow, don't we folks.

Bottom line....Americans are sick of the War.....sick of Republican-Fascist lies and hypocrisy.

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"Americans are still feeling good about a number of things in their lives, but not about the government's leadership," Zogby said. "They are giving up on this government."

"There is a real question among Americans now about how relevant this government is to them," pollster John Zogby said. "They tell us they want action on health care, education, the war and immigration, but they don't believe they are going to get it."

Is it just doldrums over the war and the mid-east situation or what?


Voters unhappy with Bush and Congress | Reuters



"Bleak" is a strong word, but I'll share my thoughts on the subjects.


Health care? Health care can be reformed. If not, we will just have more empty promises. Not so bleak as it is consistently the same.


Education? Well where I live in Nevada it is lacking. I'd say much room needed for improvement. We need more teachers and they need to be paid better. But lets face it. So many under-qualified sperm donors and egg carriers masquerading as parents that just send their kids to school, not because they care about their education, but because they need them out of the house while they sit around on welfare, make more babies, with their lazy fat useless selves.

War? I'd much rather have the war in their backyard than mine. If it was in mine that would be bleak. Because it is not....I'm happy, not feeling bleak. Would I'd gone about this different than our President, you betcha. More parking lots.

Immigration? Well what will change that has not changed? Would it be bleak if much of Latin America didn't come here illegally, especially Mexico. They will continue to come illegally under, over, and around in any fences. Again it won't be bleak as much as disappointing if our government extends already illegals amnesty of sorts. Please and we are already conditioned for this. Nothing new.


OK! Personally one thing that I've mentioned before is that I do think the chance of receiving full social security payments twenty years from now is fairly uncertain. I'm not thrilled with 401k either.


Now where near the US is it less bleak? Certainly not in Canada. Imagine being ramrodded into paying for health care for undeserving lazy mooches who sit on the street corner day after day, chugging down a 40oz Mickeys before noon. Expensive medical treatment paid for by wealthy, upstanding members of society. Lazy people looking for freebies. We already have that in the US. We call it welfare. At least we are trying to reform ours to no avail. Oh! But I guess a "bleak" mood US citizen could head north for a draft dodger reunion. Sit around mumble in French and freeze during the winter. No thanks.


How about Mexico? Are you kidding me. Only thing more bleak than Canada is Mexico. Go ahead and trade in your cognac for tequila. Please when those US dollars turned into pesos eventually run out ,they'd experience "bleak." The average American could maintain a dreamy lifestyle for only so long. Want to be like the natives? The younger generations of spoiled US citizens would run back to Uncle Sam as soon as they couldn't afford the manual labor.




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What is there to be bleak about. We are killing people are we not? Isn't that what we are susposed to be doing? I mean, isn't that what we have always done. In the name of GOD? For Christ sake. Cheer up man! BTW, are one of those Goth people?
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What is there to be bleak about. We are killing people are we not? Isn't that what we are susposed to be doing? I mean, isn't that what we have always done. In the name of GOD? For Christ sake. Cheer up man! BTW, are one of those Goth people?


There's been more non-Christians having murdered throughout history than Christian. I'm not a Christian, nor do I agree with Bush for all the semantics that many politicians use with the rah rah speeches. But I'd rather they not become like pacifists that sat around in their unbelief after those twin towers collapsed, blind to the fact.




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