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Old Aug 12, 2007, 12:18 PM
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Am I getting this right

Are all the candidates for President Nationalistic to the point of justifying pre-emptive war?

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Old Aug 14, 2007, 06:44 AM   #11  
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You don't understand libertarians. S'ok. Nobody else does either.
Yeah, that's why they never get elected. If they spent some time actually explaining their positions instead of leaving everyone confused about what they believe, they might actually win an election.

However, in Paul's case, he's made it pretty clear that he favors what I call a "Citadel Defense" strategy: Bring all the troops home, set them on the borders, and take a defensive position that nobody can break through. Is this a misrepresentation of what he supports? Am I misunderstanding his position? I don't think so.

There are two basic flaws with such a strategy, however. Not surprising, since even while in the Air Force he was a doctor/flight surgeon, and not a fighter. (I in no way mean to say that his service to our country was anything less than patriotic. This is simply a statement regarding his actual strategic/tactical knowledge.) These flaws are insurmountable using the strategy that he has put forth.

They are:

1) No "citadel" can ever be strong enough to completely stop a determined attacker with modern weaponry. No wall is strong enough or high enough. No number of troops can be sufficient to cover every inch of the threat area. And there are some weapons that no wall can stop. The Citadel Defense strategy is, therefore, a weak position from which to defend the country.

2) Any Citadel Strategy, no matter how effective, takes the defenders out of the initiative and makes them completely defensive. It is a position from which we wait for the enemy to attack us, and are REACTIVE rather than PROACTIVE in preventing it. It gives the enemy the initiative and flexibility to attack us at a place and time of their choosing without having to commit any forces to self-defense.

By contrast a "forward deployment defensive strategy" opens up the initiative for us, gives us additional flexibility, and makes us proactive in our defensive strategy. It gives us the ability to attack the enemy and forces the enemy to commit at least a portion of its fighting force to defense rather than attack. It increases our defensive and offensive options and automatically takes a large portion of the enemy's fighting force out of the equation.

Simply put, Ron Paul's "citadel strategy" sounds good on paper... on second thought, it doesn't even sound good on paper. In the real world, where no plan survives contact with the enemy and thus flexibility to adapt to the situation as it happens is essential to an effective defensive strategy, the inflexibility of a citadel strategy is a killer. Literally.

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Yeah, that's why they never get elected. If they spent some time actually explaining their positions instead of leaving everyone confused about what they believe, they might actually win an election.
Hello again, El:

Nahhh. The reason they don't win is because they don't have a Karl Rove. In fact, they'd be good governors. But, they're NOT good politicians. The fact is, if they got their message out, they'd win handsdown.

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PS> You don’t think Bush won (or Hillary is gonna win) because he or she knows how to run things, do you? Bwa, ha ha ha ha.
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Excon,

Nah... Bush won because he didn't say stupid things about how to defend the country... like Ron Paul has.

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Bush won because he didn't say stupid things about how to defend the country... like Ron Paul has.
Hello again, El:

YOU are an ardent Bush supporter still today - a firm believer in pre-emptive war who believes that Saddam was connected to 9/11, and who believes that we're winning in Iraq....

If YOU think it's stupid, then I embrace it wholeheartedly.

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Excon,

Let's clarify my position.

I am an ardent supporter of Bush's foreign policy, which has succeeded in preventing another 9-11 or any othe terrorist attack in the USA for 2,163 days.

I am an ardent supporter of Bush's tax cuts, which took the country from a recession to the highest level of economic growth and stock investment returns, and the lowest level of unemployment we have seen in 60 years.

I am NOT a supporter of Bush's immigration policy, however.

And whether I believe Saddam was connected to 9-11 is irrelevant. Apparently Saddam thought he was connected to 9-11, because his own documentation makes the connection.

And, boy, won't you look as foolish as Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and Jack Murtha when it turns out that we ARE winning in Iraq.

So, if you embrace it wholeheartedly, it must be stupid.

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I'm still waiting for Murtha to make a retraction for his vicious and slanderous assault on the innocent Marines of Haditha

Hot Air » Blog Archive » Hot Air Audio: Rep. Murtha’s office hangs up when asked about the Haditha Marines
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