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Al Qaeda is "considerably operationally stronger than a year ago''

Al Qaeda is "considerably operationally stronger than a year ago'' and has "regrouped to an extent not seen since 2001,'' the official said, paraphrasing the report's conclusions. "They are showing greater and greater ability to plan attacks in Europe and the United States.''

Scary isn’t it, what I don’t understand is why some people seem to be so smugly happy about it… of course many of them have been obstacles in the war on terrorism.

CTV.ca | Al Qaeda has rebuilt itself: intelligence report

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Old Jul 18, 2007, 04:27 PM   #2  
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Al Qaeda is "considerably operationally stronger than a year ago'' and has "regrouped to an extent not seen since 2001,'' the official said, paraphrasing the report's conclusions. "They are showing greater and greater ability to plan attacks in Europe and the United States.''

Scary isn’t it, what I don’t understand is why some people seem to be so smugly happy about it… of course many of them have been obstacles in the war on terrorism.

CTV.ca | Al Qaeda has rebuilt itself: intelligence report
You make a good point. I don't think people should be "smugly happy" about this either. As citizens of the U.S. we need not look at this as a Republican failure or Democratic fortune for the next election. Our attention should be on Al Qaeda because they draw from a network of other terrorist recruits that help in their activity and their stronghold is the ability to reload from their own buddy neighbors (see: Syria).


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The real obstacle in the war on Jihadists has been from the beginning, Bush/Cheney Neocon total ignorance of the nature of the problem of Jihadism and their total ignorance of the reality of the complexities of Islam.

Bush/Cheney totally misunderstood how to deal with Jihadism......


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tomder55 agrees: you have a point. too often they have tried the religion of peace BS . Our military has been handcuffed with rediculous ROEs that make legitimate military force a criminal offense.
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DC ; yeah I heard that all night long during the recent defeat-a-thon held in the Senate .

NIE: Al-Qaida Planning U.S. Attack
There's a surprise.

They had a chance to regroup because they were temporarily given safe haven in N Waziristan. If I judge by the public chatter of their leader Zawahiri then I would be inclined to agree with the conclusion of the NIE that they have the strength that they had pre-Sept. 11 . He has made no less than 10 messages since January on events such as Hamas's takeover of Gaza to the recent siege on a Pakistani mosque. Even that recently released OBL tape looks dated ,and I have read some pretty credible information that it is in fact a 2001 rehash .

I find it difficult to believe that they can run the same type of operation from remote areas of Pakistan that they did when they had state sponsorship .I personally think they lack the central planning that they are given credit for .

They are in Iraq and getting whipped there. Perhaps if I believe that the recent attempts in London were al-Qaeda then I could possibly believe that they had some coordination and control. But I think alot of what happens in the name of al-Qaeda is at most inspired by the mystique. It's sorta like a thug putting on a Che Guevara tee shirt becomes a revolutionary .

I think it 's a mistake by either Republicans or Democrats to overplay the report .Michael Chertoff should take some Tums and pipe down a little . He sounds ridiculous. His gut feeling is a burrito he ate when he was the chief stooge for President Bush during the immigration debate.
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Guys if you want to hear about some scary terrorists living right at home please watch this movie. the beginning is a little boring but i swear it will change your life a bit Zeitgeist - The Movie, 2007 It's zeitgeist the movie, and its all free online because people are trying to spread the word.

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tomder55 agrees: I will watch it when I get back from vacation. I have heard that it is just another tin foil hat conspiracy theory (not that I mind ...I like good fiction) .
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DC ; yeah I heard that all night long during the recent defeat-a-thon held in the Senate .

NIE: Al-Qaida Planning U.S. Attack
There's a surprise.

They had a chance to regroup because they were temporarily given safe haven in N Waziristan. If I judge by the public chatter of their leader Zawahiri then I would be inclined to agree with the conclusion of the NIE that they have the strength that they had pre-Sept. 11 . He has made no less than 10 messages since January on events such as Hamas's takeover of Gaza to the recent siege on a Pakistani mosque. Even that recently released OBL tape looks dated ,and I have read some pretty credible information that it is in fact a 2001 rehash .

I find it difficult to believe that they can run the same type of operation from remote areas of Pakistan that they did when they had state sponsorship .I personally think they lack the central planning that they are given credit for .

They are in Iraq and getting whipped there. Perhaps if I believe that the recent attempts in London were al-Qaeda then I could possibly believe that they had some coordination and control. But I think alot of what happens in the name of al-Qaeda is at most inspired by the mystique. It's sorta like a thug putting on a Che Guevara tee shirt becomes a revolutionary .

I think it 's a mistake by either Republicans or Democrats to overplay the report .Michael Chertoff should take some Tums and pipe down a little . He sounds ridiculous. His gut feeling is a burrito he ate when he was the chief stooge for President Bush during the immigration debate.
Frankly I find it lacks credibility, first the report is classified, and we don’t know the context of the statement, “operating capability.” Then there is the ‘Propaganda’ angle that very often accompanies these kinds of information releases. When I add to that the number of Al Qaeda leaders that have been killed or captured, and the money channels that have been closed down…I have my doubts.

My issue is with the people who seem to relish the idea because they are anti- Bush
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Crow, "My country right or wrong"?????

That's what the Germans said in the 1930-1940's.


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Crow, "My country right or wrong"?????

That's what the Germans said in the 1930-1940's.


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I don’t know what to make of your comments; given that I don’t trust any government and especially bureaucrats
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guys there are tons more non-terrorists than terrorists so why arent we doing anything? we need to ban together but it seems like the people who ban together and get organized are the haters (like whitesupremict groups) or people in caves that are crazy enough to make plenty of homevideos with everything we want to hear about their confessions concerning 9/11. : ) wow we hardly needed to investigate! case closed!
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Here are some lines I used to hear in the old days when it looked like the enemy was regrouping...

"I hate it when there are so many enemies. I never know who to shoot first."

"Don't think of it as there being too many enemies... think of it as a target-rich environment."

"Lot's of enemies, a Robar .50, and a six pack... it's happy making."

"Uh, oh, the enemy is regrouping and calling in reinforcements. We should call in the other Marine so they can both take care of it."

Do I sound worried?

Look, the enemy is in hiding. They are underfunded and outgunned. If they try to take us in a straight fight, we win and they die. If they hide, we find them and they die. If they manage to attack us with a terrorist attack, we get pissed and they die.

The enemy cannot hold any land. They have neither the manpower nor the equipment to hold any territory against the US military. Unless they can hold land, the only thing they can do is piss people off. They can kill government leaders. More will be appointed. They can kill soldiers. More will take their place. They can destroy cars and buildings and kill civillians. That only turns the people against them. They cannot win a military victory against us. Therefore, the only way for them to win is for us to give up. So the solution is, don't give up.

Are the enemy regrouping? Possibly. Even probably. But that just makes a bigger target to look for. That many people, most of which will be undertrained, have poor spycraft skills, and will make mistakes, will be easier to find and deal with than the old al Qaeda was. All their most experienced guys are either dead or captured. The rest aren't going to be half the problem the old timers were.
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