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Old Sep 6, 2009, 01:33 PM
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shower head leaks when filling tub

My shower head leaks water while water is coming out of the tub spout. It only leaks when the hot and cold water are mixing. It is a Moen valve. I have already replaced the cartridge and diverter- no change. Copper was not used for the riser, plastic tubing (peks?) was used- could this make a difference?

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Old Sep 6, 2009, 02:28 PM   #2  
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There should be a restricter in the valve that keeps the water rising up in to the shower riser. So if anything has been done laely except changing the cartridge, that could affect the flow.

Also it the tub spout is corroded in any way that may make the water rise into the shower riser and out the shower head, so maybe changing the tub spout might change the problem.

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Old Sep 6, 2009, 04:09 PM   #3  
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LetmetellU,
You never fail to amaze me. I once advised you to check with a working plumber before you posted. Remember?? That was back when you informed us that a attic revent coluldn't be snaked. Now ya did it again!
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There should be a restricter in the valve that keeps the water rising up in to the shower riser.
Had you ever installed a Moen tub/shower valve yourself you would have know what prevents water from leaking out the shower head when filling the tub. Sorry Charly!! But there is no restricter in a Moen tub/shower valve
While I guess a faulty diverter spout might divert somthat affects the shower.e water up the shower raiser but that's already been replaced, ( go back and read the complaint) . What does stop the water from climbing up the shower raiser when you fill the tub?? Pay attention,LetmetellU!! There will be a test and questions later. Why it's simple head pressure that keeps the water pouring outta the shower head when filling the tub. from
Let me explain. Water, like electricity, will always seek the path of least resistance. Think about it!! When you open the valve to fill your tub water under pressure goes down 8 inches and out the open spout. When you close the spout diverter the water has to clime up 28 inches to exit the shower head. That 28 inches presents a back pressure of a little over 1 PSI. Not very much but enough back pressure to keep the water flowing outta the spout which has no backpressure at all.
And that completes your lesson LetmetellU. You may own a plumbing shop but t5hat sure don't make you a plumber. One more time!! Check with your plumbers before you embarrass yourself by posting here!!
Which brings us to your problem Mat22 and the solution to repair it.
About the only thing left is the house pressure itself. If your house pressure's over the top it will overpower the raiser back pressure and send water up the raiser out the shower head.
Do you have a PRV( pressure reducing valve) installed where the water enters the house? Do this, purchase a hose bib pressure gage ,(see image) and check your house pressure. It should fall within 40 and 60 PSI with the average 45PSI.
Bring your house pressure down and I'll bet your leak goes bye-bye. Good luck, Tom

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Please answer my questions and let me know what your house pressure is. Regards, Tom
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I have not had achance to check my house pressure yet. I will let you know when I get it. Thank you for your help. mat22
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I finally checked my pressure-69 psi. I put on a prv set at 50 psi and it solved the leaking shower head problem. Thanks for your help.
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Thanks for the update. I'd like to take credit for solving your problem but outside of a faulty diverter spout too much pressure was the only answer. Easy solution/ easy fix! Thanks again Tom
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Iwould like to post a comment for your help but it says to click on the "scales above". I don't see any scales to click on. I know this is'nt a plumbing question but maybe you can help me here too. Thanks again.

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I come on board a long time ago and still use the old skin. I guess there are more then a few to choose from. I appreciate the gesture but your thanks are good enough for me. Thanks, tom
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Matt your main problem was the use of the plastic tubing peks, it won't work with the tub spout deverter when the h/c water is mixing, you will always have a small amount of water leaking back into the tub while showering. Hope this is helpful, it worked for me. Paulwin25
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I don't think I agree with paulwin25. I think Tom gave an excellent, and right on, advice to Matt's problem...
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