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Old Jan 13, 2008, 01:25 PM
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Pipe noise following toilet flush

serious noise and vibration coming from pipes following toilet flush. I know it's air in the pipes, how do I get air out and stop the noise?

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Old Feb 28, 2009, 11:49 AM   #11  
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Hi. i am interested in trying the above... however, what do you mean by "cap?" is that in the tank, or at the wall junction, or at the pipe to the bottom of the tank connection? I am confused.
Ok, sorry for the ambiguous nomenclature. The "cap" I refer to, the one that needed to be loosened up a little, is inside the tank. It is the top of the "water control assembly" and where the "refill tube" comes from. (See attached picture below). When I simply loosened this "cap" a small amount, all of the shaking and noises stopped.

And after having some time, I figured out why. When the cap is on too tightly, it causes a pressure problem. The water coming in is usually stopped by the flow adjustment lever (right where the float ball's arm meets the water control assembly) at the top of the cap. This is because as the float ball rises in the tank, the flow adjustment lever is slowly pushed down to stop the flow of incoming water. But, when the cap is on too tightly, it causes the incoming water to have more pressure, which then makes it "fight" the adjustment lever. (Kinda like when boiling water makes the pot's lid jump around). While these two try to tuff out an equilibrium, it shakes the pipes and makes a lot of noise. Finally, however, equilibrium is reached and the noises stop. By loosening the cap, it reduces the pressure of the incoming water, so that the lever can win the battle.

Again, I think this should be a first step, and if it doesn't fix the problem, then go on to the other solutions, because you're problem may be different. If you find that upon the refilling of the tank, you can pull up on the float ball at any time and the water stops without making sounds, then it is probably that the cap is on too tightly. That's how I knew this was the problem.
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Toilet will make noise for two reason, if the angle valve has a loose washer at the end of the stem, or dirt in the fill valve, next time when you flush your toilet and if starts the noise open the angle valve completely turn it clock wise, if the sound disappears it is a loose washer in the angle valve, if not then see the images below and tell me which fill valve do you see inside your tank and let us know and we will tell what to do , also we will help how to replace the washer in the angle valve, Thanks.
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Ok, sorry for the ambiguous nomenclature. The "cap" I refer to, the one that needed to be loosened up a little, is inside the tank. It is the top of the "water control assembly" and where the "refill tube" comes from. (See attached picture below). When I simply loosened this "cap" a small amount, all of the shaking and noises stopped.

And after having some time, I figured out why. When the cap is on too tightly, it causes a pressure problem. The water coming in is usually stopped by the flow adjustment lever (right where the float ball's arm meets the water control assembly) at the top of the cap. This is because as the float ball rises in the tank, the flow adjustment lever is slowly pushed down to stop the flow of incoming water. But, when the cap is on too tightly, it causes the incoming water to have more pressure, which then makes it "fight" the adjustment lever. (Kinda like when boiling water makes the pot's lid jump around). While these two try to tuff out an equilibrium, it shakes the pipes and makes a lot of noise. Finally, however, equilibrium is reached and the noises stop. By loosening the cap, it reduces the pressure of the incoming water, so that the lever can win the battle.

Again, I think this should be a first step, and if it doesn't fix the problem, then go on to the other solutions, because you're problem may be different. If you find that upon the refilling of the tank, you can pull up on the float ball at any time and the water stops without making sounds, then it is probably that the cap is on too tightly. That's how I knew this was the problem.
OMG! That's definitely the problem... when i pull up on the float ball right before the tank finishes filling it doesn't shake... but when I try to "loosen" the cap (turn to left) the float ball hits the back of the tank. In other words, I can't turn it independently... ack! what a bummer... but at least I definitely know what's wrong, I just can't figure out how to make the float ball come all the way up "quickly" so it won't shake... I tried bending the pipe holding the ball, but it interferes with the piston thing that goes down and tells the tank to start filling... either way, I'm half way to a solution... I know the problem
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Toilet will make noise for two reason, if the angle valve has a loose washer at the end of the stem, or dirt in the fill valve, next time when you flush your toilet and if starts the noise open the angle valve completely turn it clock wise, if the sound disappears it is a loose washer in the angle valve, if not then see the images below and tell me which fill valve do you see inside your tank and let us know and we will tell what to do , also we will help how to replace the washer in the angle valve, Thanks.
Mine looks more like the second attachement (the colorful one with numbers) When I pull up on the float ball (3 & 1) at the end of the fill cycle, the pipes don't shake. but the float ball is connected to the center of the cap... so I can't turn the cap without turning the ball as well, so the ball hits the back of the tank and won't go up or down. Basically... I need the float ball to "come up" "quickly" at the end of the cycle so that the pipes won't shake.. but I can't figure out how to do that... see attached
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Open the link below will show hot to adjust the ballcock and how to set the water level, if thsi will not help, I would suggest to replace the fill valve with a Fluidmaster 400A, good luck.

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Replace The Toilet Fill Valve, Flush Valve Or Flapper | Plumbing Projects | Reader's Digest

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Wow it is time to change with a new one, good Luck.

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Ok, sorry for the ambiguous nomenclature. The "cap" I refer to, the one that needed to be loosened up a little, is inside the tank. It is the top of the "water control assembly" and where the "refill tube" comes from. (See attached picture below). When I simply loosened this "cap" a small amount, all of the shaking and noises stopped.

And after having some time, I figured out why. When the cap is on too tightly, it causes a pressure problem. The water coming in is usually stopped by the flow adjustment lever (right where the float ball's arm meets the water control assembly) at the top of the cap. This is because as the float ball rises in the tank, the flow adjustment lever is slowly pushed down to stop the flow of incoming water. But, when the cap is on too tightly, it causes the incoming water to have more pressure, which then makes it "fight" the adjustment lever. (Kinda like when boiling water makes the pot's lid jump around). While these two try to tuff out an equilibrium, it shakes the pipes and makes a lot of noise. Finally, however, equilibrium is reached and the noises stop. By loosening the cap, it reduces the pressure of the incoming water, so that the lever can win the battle.

Again, I think this should be a first step, and if it doesn't fix the problem, then go on to the other solutions, because you're problem may be different. If you find that upon the refilling of the tank, you can pull up on the float ball at any time and the water stops without making sounds, then it is probably that the cap is on too tightly. That's how I knew this was the problem.
Here are some photos... I can't turn the "cap" independently from the float ball... any suggestions... that's definitely the problem
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Hi all:

That unit is way overdue to be changed out. Just like John said...replace that fill-valve with a new fluidmaster 400A. Takes about 15 minutes...

The copper ball is probably full of water and the seals are gone at the fill-valve itself. Not worth repairing.

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It is 23 years old fill valve. Do as John said. Also, this unit doesn't have conventional flopper - but a large round seal on the bottom of the moving tube. Remove that old seal, go to Home Depot, get new one and install it. You don't have to replace whole fill tube and "flopper" tube...
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serious noise and vibration coming from pipes following toilet flush. I know it's air in the pipes, how do I get air out and stop the noise?
Is your toilet fed by the mains or from a tank? If its fed from the mains it should have a flow regulator inserted into the pipe which connects to the ball valve assembly.

that is usually the problem with noise after a flush! If you find another solution please let me know as i am curious to find a solution to that

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