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    Sep 18, 2010, 06:03 AM
    Installation instructions american standard toilet f4049 gasket.
    This is an old American Standard Toilet F4049 with an unusually shaped, flat gasket. How does this gasket prevent the water from rushing out? Do any other parts need to be installed between tank and bowl?
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    Sep 18, 2010, 06:14 AM
    Setting a toilet is a simple job. Tile or lay the Congoleum up to the floor flange. Put the closet bolts in the flange slots. Now place the wax seal on the bottom of the stool and set the stool over the flange so the bolts come up through the holes in the base . Give the stool a twist to seat the seal. Now is the time,if you have china caps, to put the plastic locking wafer on the bolt first, Making sure the beveled side is down, now the washer and nut. DO NOT OVER TIGHTEN as you can break the china. If you tighten it so that you can't twist it it's tight enough. Tie in the water and test for leaks. Final step is to take a small tube of DAP tub and tile caulk and grout around the base. Clean the excess off with a damp cloth. Congratulations, you have just set your commode. Hope this helps and thank you for rating my reply. Tom
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    Sep 18, 2010, 07:05 AM

    Hi Elliep...

    Does your "flat gasket" look like the U shaped gasket below? If so, the only real use I ever found for this gasket was to kind of hold the bolts in place. Some of these also served to keep the china from tank and bowl from coming into contact, but most of the time I didn't use the gasket on my jobs... ;) This gasket doesn't serve to hold water back in any way.

    You DEFINITELY need a toilet to bowl washer... called a spud washer... see images. This gasket keep water from spilling out of the tank.

    You can use the flat gasket if you want... certainly won't hurt anything.

    Back to you...

    Mark

    PS...by chance do you have a flat washer with a spud washer connected to it? If so, use it as you would the spud washer.... see last image below.
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    Sep 19, 2010, 07:09 AM
    Mark, The photo you sent of the gasket is correct. Only went back to this style after trying a lot of other gaskets/washers and still have water seeping, more from some styles than others. This current trip to a home repair store ran into someone who knew precisely what was happening and advised the only way to prevent was to put back exactly the way it was configured originally. He sent me to a plumbing supplier who happen to carry the gasket in your photo. The biggest problem with the other gaskets it had the tank sitting up too high and never quite conformed. Would be fine for a couple of weeks then start seeping water. Any suggestions to avoid? Thanks
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    Sep 19, 2010, 08:35 AM

    Hi Eliie:

    Very common issue here! I still run into this issue when repairing the older american standard toilets in my area.

    For this setup you definitely need the larger toilet to tank bowl SPUD WASHER. I think you have already observed it, but are having trouble finding the right spud washer. In my area they carry a few different thicknesses as we have some of the oldest toilets in the country!

    Today's spud washers are slightly smaller then the old american standard spud washers so you will be best to call up a local plumbing supply store and ask to speak with one of the counterguys. See if they have larger size spud washers... or maybe they'll call them taller or thicker washers, but basically you want the largest spud washer they have.

    As I mentoned, the flat gasket I posted above only serves to hold the bolts in place. They do not serve a purpose otherwise... that I know of anyway.

    Let us know how you make out... OK?

    Mark
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