it seems like the flapper arm is sticking up but i can't figure out why. also i notice my toilet is flushing twice, what to do about that. Thanks alot guys

speedball1

Hey Jody,

Let's you and I get some terms straight.
Flapper= the rubber thingy that has a chain.
Flush Arm= The arm the chain connects to.
Flush Lever= The lever on the outside of the tank you push to flush.
Now tell me what happens. Are you saying the Flush Arm hangs up and won't fall back down allowing the flapper to seat? Please explain. Cheers, tom

jodyddaniels

Hey Tom, Thanks alot,its the flapper that sticks up sometimes and the water keeps running until i take the top off the toilet and push it down by hand, a friend of mine said to put vasiline on it but that do not work.Plus my toilet flushes twice

PalmMP3

I've had that twice already; in both cases, simply putting in a new flapper solved the problem. They're pretty cheap, and usually not difficult to install - the ones I used (made by Fluidmaster) simply snapped on to the horizontal pieces sticking out of the overflow tube.

Note that this will not help if there is problem with the cahain length; only if the flapper itself is worn out. Otherwise, you'll need to adjust the chain so there's just a little bit of slack.

Cheers,
Moishe

speedball1

OK Jody, Got it!.
Sounds like your flapper linkage needs adjusting.
With the flapper seated the linkage wants to have 1/4" of play. Too much play and the flapper doesn't get pulled back enough giving you a short flush. Too tight and it lets water seep past the flapper. I adjust the chain by the link and if it needs fine tuning, I bend the flush lever rod a bit untill I have the desired play in the linkage. One more thing about a flapper. you will see where the old flapper hooks onto the base of the white overflow tube. On a older type with no hooks the flapper has a ring that slips down over the overflow tube to the seat. If your tank has hooks, take a sharp knife or scissors and cut the neoprene ring off on the marks provided and hook the flapper on the hooks. Leaving the ring on will interfere with the flush. The water level in your tank should be 3/8 to 1/2" below the top of the overflow tube when the tank's filled. Hope this helps and let me know if it does. Tom

jodyddaniels

I forgot to mention that the flapper is brand new. What i don't understand is why would the chain have anything to do with the flapper being stuck in the UP position. I understand if its seeping or not coming all the way down but being STUCK in the up position. Do anyone have any feed back on the toilet flushing twice. THANKS

speedball1

Hi jody,
The reason you get a double flush is because the flapper isn't seating and you have again as much water entering the bowl.
Try this. Take off the lid and lift the flapper up by its chain. now push the flush lever on the outside of the tank down and let go. Does the lever fall right back down again? Let me know. Tom

letmetellu

You need to answer one question, is the chain holding the flapper up or is the chain relaxed when the flapper is stuck in the up sosition. If the chain remains tight when the flapper is stuck in the up position then you need to work on the flush handle assembly. Possibly even having to replace the Flush handle and lever. This is sometimes a very tricky thing to do, if it is plastic it should unscrew. but be forewarned the threads are left handed threads, meaning they turn backwards from normal threads. If it is a metal handle I would suggest that you use a hack saw and saw the nut that is holding the the handle to the tank. This nut is located just inside the tank. Be careful because the handle goes into a square hole and if you try to unscrew the nut sometimes it will turn the mechanism in the square hole and split the tank.

If the chain is relaxed (not tight) when the flapper is stuck you need to check the float ball to make sure it is not falling so far that it interfers wiht the dropping of the flapper. You can check this by flushing the commode with the talk lid off to watch how thing work.

About the double flush, it is possible that you put the wrong flapper in the tank. If it is a water saver tank ( 1.6 gallons per flush) then you need to use a flapper made for that type tank. If it is a 3.5 gallon per flush you need to buy a flapper for that style.

speedball1

Letmetellu,

"About the double flush, it is possible that you put the wrong flapper in the tank. If it is a water saver tank ( 1.6 gallons per flush) then you need to use a flapper made for that type tank. If it is a 3.5 gallon per flush you need to buy a flapper for that style."

You caught my attention with that statement. Since a 1.6 and a 3.5 tank all use the same flush valve and seat where do the different styles of flappers fit in. Here is a web site devoted to flappers.
http://www.azpartsmaster.com/shopazp...et%20Tank.html
and I'm, still looking for a 1.6 gallon flapper and a 3.5 gallon flapper.
I've been retired for over 10 years and new stuff has come out since then. I try to stay on top of new developments but am always ready to learn.
If you could provide me with documentation for your statement I sure would appreciate it. I may be old but I'm never too old to learn somthing new. cheers, Tom

jodyddaniels

Hey Tom, I done like you said and lifted the flapper up by the chain and pushed the outside lever down and the lever did fall right back down