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    #21

    Jan 30, 2008, 03:51 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by massplumber2008
    Hey pdw77..I would definitely sand, flux, heat, pull elbow off (twist a little). Then, re-heat slightly and with a rag wipe the excess solder off until left with a slightly tinned/ copper finish on the pipe. Then let cool and clean again with with sandcloth...re-flux, clean/flux fitting ( I would use a new elbow as well..just increase odds of finishing the job at this point...but if not available and you did not destroy it getting it off...well then you could just clean/flux this..and reheat the elbow to slide onto the pipe...then solder both pipe and fitting...should do it) and join fitting to pipe and then solder away. That should pretty much guarantee success!!

    Hey let me know if this helped!!! Good luck.
    MASSPLUMBER- just what I needed to know, thanks!
    As a novice, doing this in sub-freezing weather is challenging.
    I shall follow your advice whenever it "warms" up a bit.
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    Jan 30, 2008, 07:07 PM
    When I was a little fella, maybe 10, Dad taught me the only way he knew how. Clean, flux, tin and wipe with damp rag. Heat assembly and add solder and wipe off excess.

    I don't do all those steps anymore except when having to deal with an old fitting. As the fittings get larger, the harder they are to do and it sometimes takes a bigger hammer (BFH). I mean torch.
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    #23

    Jan 30, 2008, 09:01 PM
    KISS, thanks for graciously letting me butt in on your threat:o
    It was hard to pass up getting in with a couple of pros, and a cold-weather one to boot!
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    #24

    Feb 2, 2008, 12:43 PM
    Pdw: Your welcome. Very related.

    I found another option.
    There is a Sharkbite angle stop. Seems like I can unsweat the stop and use a Sharkbite stop.
    Comments. It's made by Brasscraft, but I forgot to write down the model #.

    The large extension stop I found, but it's not 1/4 turn.

    I guess some of you were wondering how it turned out:

    Main supply valves where there weren't any before. Before and after pics.

    Ball valves for the vanity and toilet. 1/2 NPT female adapters for the possible addition of a recirculator. Labeled. Wires tidied up. Pipes supported with ceiling flanges. Forgot and may do later: fire caulk for penetrations

    The old and new angle stops.

    The old: sweat with 5" integral extension multi-turn. Note the unexpected pinch I had to deal with.
    The new: 3/8 female adapter, 3/8 NPT chromed copper with 3/8 IPS 1/4 tuen angle stop.

    The female adapter can be concealed under the bell flange. I had a little trouble with the bell flange staying on because of the threads because it sits on the threads, I used a piece of foil tape on the threads.

    This would have been another good choice: Watts: Angle - Quick-Connect | Brass & Tubular

    It would keep things very close to the wall and look nice.

    Use of heat shield and a piece of metal to protect ceramic tile. I could use a full-size propane torch.

    The bell on the cold water side was cut off with my new toy: The Multimaster and it did a nice job. 2nd choice would have been the Dremel tool with an abrasive cutting blade.

    Final repair with penetrations caulked on this side and new shelf paper.

    I got side tracked a bit and sanded the rusty bell flange on the toilet and gave it a rust treatment with Extend. It's ready to paint black.

    I also did the same with the toilet pipe.

    O know, I should replace the supply hoses with braided ones.

    About $10 for the stops and less than $2.00 for the chrome pipe. The bell and the female adapters were cheap too and so were the few copper fittings. The ball valves were about $8.00 each. I could even get the non-quarter turn angle stops with the extension and bell flange easily.

    I don't like compression. Swage is OK. Compression, Yuk.
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    #25

    Feb 14, 2008, 09:38 PM
    Hello Keepitsimplestupid - I have done a few of these types & they are sodered. & the crom makes the difference in the ( O>D> )of the other copper pipe. I would remove the old ones and replace with new compression cut offs. Hope this helps If it does rate me below. Good Luck & GODBLESS::::: F.B.E. ( OH by the way did you tell them when they told you $100.00 ,You should have said 9 I don't want to buy the factory, JUST A COUPLE CUTOFFS ) HaHa HA ;:: F.B.E.
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    #26

    Feb 14, 2008, 10:22 PM
    1/2 NPT female adapters for the possible addition of a recirculator
    It looks like you installed two adapters and I can't really tell from the photo but it looks like one is on the hot and one is on the cold. May I ask why? Are you going to recirculate your cold?
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    #27

    Feb 14, 2008, 10:32 PM
    Yep, I did. Here is the one I like so far that doesn't require a return line. Hot Water Circulator Recirculator Circulation Pumps I just don't want to put it under the sink if, and when, I decide to install one.

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