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Old May 20, 2006, 05:08 PM
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Truth or Fact?

Since we use these words here now and then, I've been thinking...

And although I have thoughts of my own about this....

I am really interested in what everyone here may think about the difference between...

TRUTH or FACT

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Old May 20, 2006, 05:18 PM   #2  
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Hi, when I was younger I heard a definition of OPINION vs. FACT. I know that's not what your asking but it seems close to me.

The difference is that FACT can be proven true or false. OPINION cannot be proven either way.

I think in your question TRUTH would have to come with proof of it being true.

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A fact is something that can be proven with hard evidence, i.e. documentation, physical evidence, etc.

A truth is something that can be proven by a combination of fact and logic.

An Opinion is something that cannot be proven specifically. A Valid opinion is one that has at least some basis in fact or logic. If there is no basis for the opinion that its not valid.

At least those are the definitions I go by.

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Old May 20, 2006, 07:18 PM   #4  
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the facts are 100% undeniable but truth is how we interpret those facts..everyone's truth about the facts can vary..IMO

just because its true to you doesn't make it a fact
just because its a fact doesn't make it true
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About what Tommyp!072 said...I don't understand how something could be fact and not true. Anyone?
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truth is in the eye of the beholder
one mans truth is another mans lies
its just how WE interpret

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magprob disagrees: Truth is truth from the beginning to the end. If man chooses to disort the truth the his basis of fact becomes based on lies.
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Fact may be seen as true through emperical observation. There is no emperical formula to gauge truth. It is either true or it is not.
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About what Tommyp!072 said...I don't understand how something could be fact and not true. Anyone?

Though not a perfect fit to what you are asking...

A paradox is something where conflicting facts are nullified by a larger perhaps invisible truth.

Example:

"I must give it away to keep it" ... is often used in recovery circles.
On face value I must have "it" in order to give it away.
But if I give it away, then I can't be keeping it too.
So how does one keep it, if they are giving it away?

So does that help any, Aqua?

And thanks for all the comments, everyone - those who haven't posted, feel free to also!

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aqua@home agrees: This helped a little valinors. I can see that it can be somewhat a contradiction in itself.
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A great truth is that when we give, we keep the universal supply line open, thereby receiving at the same time. The fact of the matter is, when one gives nothing back, the supply line is shut off and that persons supply stops. Truth, the law of the universe, fact, what we observe from the way we perceive that truth and react upon it.

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A fact is something that can be proven with hard evidence, i.e. documentation, physical evidence, etc.

A truth is something that can be proven by a combination of fact and logic.

An Opinion is something that cannot be proven specifically. A Valid opinion is one that has at least some basis in fact or logic. If there is no basis for the opinion that its not valid.

At least those are the definitions I go by.

Good points Scott.
I like the fact definition.
I like the truth definition, except it make me then wonder how one defines "logic" or where it fits in with fact or truth as a definition.

And, although I deliberately didn't ask about opinions (I only asked for them lol), I disagree since opinions are always valid to the author (ask any one of them lol!) and are not really "valid" to others as much as they are agreed (or disagreed) with, which doesn't go to validity in my book.

Opinions may up their ante to be agreed with if the author can back their opinion with factual or truthful information but it is still agreement that the opinion gains. The more agreement the opinion gains, the more "valid" it may look to others but it still is only an impression of validity, a kind of approval some peope are willing to go with and not research themselves. This is the mechanism by which urban legends and such can acquire a foothold, I belive.

It seems strange or even illogical to me that you claim an opinion can't be "proven specifically" and then go on to define how it can be valid or not valid (which suggests it CAN be proven specifically)
Definition of valid - Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
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