Some say "consciousness condensed is matter" ; some others say " They are different". Which is correct?

Capuchin

Who says that?

Source?

Ramamoorthy

I am unable to give you the exact source. However, on reading books on philosophy , specially Eastern, I read, on many occasion these concepts . If I could get a clear clarification on this subject that will be of much use to clear to fix myself on the proper side.
thanks

Choux

Consciousness is a *mystery* at the present time. There are many scientific enquiries into the nature of consciousness going on now. Saying consciousness condensed is matter, you were saying that consciousness is the same as energy...... E=MC2(Einstein).

At the present time, consciousness is awareness...not energy.

Just my opinion.

Capuchin

Well, everything is energy. But, however true that might be, that's not a very useful statement.

Choux

Everything is not energy....there is space(nothingness) and consciousness.

Capuchin

nothingness is not something and so does not count in "everything". (and of course, i'm not sure you could show that nothingness exists..)

Consciousness is just a product of biological processes, which involve matter and energy, so i'm certain it is just energy.

Choux

There is space and matter/energy.....almost everything is space(nothingness) matter defines space/nothingness.

Then, there is awareness/consciousness which hasn't be scientifically understood; there are many scientists working on the subject.

Capuchin

A pure vacuum (what I assume you mean by nothingness), still has an energy associated with it called the vacuum energy.

There is no evidence of something which is not energy. It seems to be a good bet that awareness is just a mode of operation for this collection of energy that we call a brain. It doesn't seem sensible to assume that it's something different altogether.

Choux

Interesting back and forth.....we agree to disagree.