Am I being followed by demons or ghosts ?

This has been going on for years? Has it progressively gotten worse?

You have a problem on your hands and only you have the key to unlock this mystery. Demons and "ghosts" (earthbound spirits) can both cause a lot of trouble. Demons must submit to Christ and the compulsion to leave in Jesus' name. Spirits aren't quite as simple.

Human spirits have free-will, whether dead or alive. Spirits only leave when you figure out who they are, why they are there and help them move on. And, in the end, some will not move into the light and you need to ask people like Archangel Michael, Commander of the Heavenly Host, to remove them.

Peace...

There is only one route...the way of light and victory. St. Paul blessed napkins that healed people. Disciples cast out devils and trampled snakes. Holy water is a cleansing agent that darkness hates. God can use whatever he wants on earth to do his will, whether it is water, sage, salt, etc.

All things belong to God. I pray that you do not limit His methods, irregardless of your methods.

Peace...

By "one route" I meant one correct and pure one. All methods are not pure and not all paths lead to God. That type of thinking is giving by those who either don't understand what they are talking about or by those who want all the benefits of a Christian life without having to live it. Either way it is dangerous ground.

All things do not belong do God, and that is why He forbids their practice. Using sage and salt is nothing but spiritism, which God defies His people to practice. All of this belief mixing and matching is only going to confuse those that are trying to find deliverance from their problems.

Just because something appears good or OK, does not mean it is. The devil is a master of subtly and deception and that is how he draws people closer to his realm.

The method that works is the correct one, as long as it does not violate God's laws.
Well, we could say some prayers, sacrifice animals and sprinkle their blood on the altar and on the people as Moses did instead. I don't see how sage, salt, the stick of Moses, the napkins from St. Paul or something like these things are somehow "spiritism". God OWNS everything. "The earth is the Lord's and the fulness thereof". It is the devil who has corrupted the things of God. I would like to see Scripture that says natural elements such as salt and sage are unlawful, please
I certainly agree.

Peace...

That's exactly my point, those things do violate what God wants from us.
First of all, I'm not talking about what is UNLAWFUL because as Christians we are no longer under the law. Christ fulfilled that for us. The big issue here is that the Bible clearly shows us how to deal with spiritual entities, and straying from that is folly. Using salt and sage have NOTHING to do with a believers authority through Christ over said spirit. Yes, the earth is God's and the fullness thereof, but, as an example, that doesn't mean it's ok to worship nature...infact that is specifically forbidden. Just because something is available doesn't mean it's good. God created sex, yet outside of a marriage environment it is wrong.

Take a look at salt. Research where it's use in dealing with spirits came from. You cannot say that this, along with smudging, has nothing to do with spiritism or the occult. At it's absolute best it is superstition.

As before, please provide Scriptural evidence to your assertions.

We are no longer under the penalty of the law. Christ's propitiation for us sin has cancelled that penalty. That doesn't mean that things such as the Ten Commandments aren't still guidelines and expectations for us Christians to follow. Surely, that isn't simply a Jewish thing is it?
Do you believe every bit of knowledge of the earth, such as science and mathematics is contained in the Holy Writ? Do you believe that the purpose of Scripture is to provide details on the universe as He created it? I don't. I know that you don't believe in human spirits, but surely you remember that King Saul consulted a medium who conjured the spirit of Samuel, don't you?

It doesn't have to be salt or sage. It could be....St. Paul's napkins or my t-shirt or my shoes or ball cap. Miracles happen all the time. Expulsion of demons is such a thing. Healing physical maladies is such a thing. If St. Paul can bless napkins that heal people, why on earth is it not okay for modern-day Christians to use water or salt to make bad things go away? I have provided sources for my assertions from sources that both you and I could agree on. I ask you to do the same.
As I said....Nature is God's. Devil corrupted it. Some humans worship it. That doesn't invalidate the fact that all the earth is God's! It just means that we have screwed it up.
No, please show me evidence from Scripture that tells me it's wrong to use elements from the earth, such as (of all things), water, salt and sage to cleanse negative energies and provide healing to body, soul and spirit and I'll completely leave you and this thread alone. I don't use invalid authorities to tell me what's right or wrong. I don't go to MSNBC to get truth and authority. Believe it or not, I use Scripture as my basic instructions for living.

Peace...

I apologize for the delay in my response. It has been a very busy couple of days for me.

First of all I want to add that there is a big difference between methods of healing and spiritual deliverance. There are just about as many ways God performs physical healing as there are instances OF those healings in the Bible. Healing also stands apart from deliverance in that faith is needed moreso in healing than in deliverance. Look at all the ways God healed in the scriptures....now look at how Christ taught his followers to deal with demons. Mark 16:17 "...IN MY NAME, they will drive out demons." This doesn't just mean that we are doing it FOR Christ. It is literally only by HIS authority that we can have power over such spirits. Now to rely upon things like salt or sage, etc...is to bypass His command to the church all together. Using the authority found through Christ Jesus is the ONLY thing necessary. Holy Water is not needed...incense is not needed...sage is not needed...Christ IS.

Now do the scriptures say "thou shalt not smudge"? No, of course not. But this is what they do say...

Leviticus 19:31
“‘Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the LORD your God.

Leviticus 20:6
“‘I will set my face against anyone who turns to mediums and spiritists to prostitute themselves by following them, and I will cut them off from their people.

Leviticus 20:27
“‘A man or woman who is a medium or spiritist among you must be put to death. You are to stone them; their blood will be on their own heads.’”


Deuteronomy 18:10-12

10 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, 11 or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. 12 Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord; because of these same detestable practices the Lord your God will drive out those nations before you.

2 Kings 21:6
He sacrificed his own son in the fire, practiced divination, sought omens, and consulted mediums and spiritists. He did much evil in the eyes of the LORD, arousing his anger.

Isaiah 8:19
When someone tells you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living?

True we are not under the Levitical law...but God has also not changed His mind on how he feels about these things. The history of smudging and other related things is nothing BUT spiritist. Whether it be the Egyptians, Native Americans, Buddhists, Hindus, Druids...it is a practice of calling forth spiritual forces that are NOT of God's. Those things are the very core of spiritism, which as you read, is forbidden by God to His followers.

This is why that practice has no place in the life of a Christian. Now obviously there are many here that post and answer that are not Christians...and that is fine. However, as a Christian, my advice would not be complete without a warning against such things in hoping that the OP would not start down a possible danerous spiritual path. I do not mean any personal attacks upon you or anybody else.

Hauntinghelper- Christian route or spiritist one?... How about the one that works... I have had experience with both...This is not an either or problem, I do not think the Bible is a book of spells and I would appreciate it if you did not put words before me that are not mine.

Peersy91... you can take from this debate what you will. I would never discourage your talking to a man of God, likewise I would never discourage you from talking to a Shaman...They are both spiritual leaders in their communities, I was only putting forth some options for you to explore... It is up to you and your family to choose the path you feel is right for you.

Peersy-were you able to talk to your fiance's father about anything?

Heck, I didn't even see this post till today, so it's me who is behind
Actually, I agree with this. Holy Water, incense and other things are not necessary to drive a demon away. But, the demons don't like it, so I use them If it rubs them the wrong way and makes them uncomfortable I use it. If you think about it, it's akin to the accusation from the jewish priests that Christ expelled demons through Beelzebub, the prince of demons. If things that are evil are repelled by simple things as salt and holy water, does that mean that holy water and salt are evil too? That doesn't make sense, just as their accusation didn't make sense. Light repels evil. Goodness repels evil, love repels evil. Lots of things repel them. I use all of them.
I'm sorry, but I don't get the point of the Scriptures you quoted. They are about mediums and spiritists, which in those days were completely of an evil origin and intent. Just so you know, my personal favorite items that repel evil (and always have) are these: Bible, Crucifix and holy water. Dark ones hate those! I take nothing personal in this discussion. It's simply a discussion.

Peace...