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Old Jun 8, 2009, 07:41 PM
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Ethnicity: Why Should It Matter?

I'm not a racist.

I was just thinking...

Every time I meet someone in this town I always get the question "where are you from?". So I reply "Canada", I was born here. To which they reply "No..what are you?". What is my race.

Really. Why should it matter? Would your perception of me change if I were half Irish, or a quarter African American or even a full blooded Native-American?

When I did go to school I remember the Hispanic kids sticking their flags onto their backpacks. "Puerto Rican Pride", "Salvadorian 4 life", etc. Most of them segregated themselves and would dismember you if you were from another race trying to talk to a member of their group. I'm positive not all schools are up to these extremes- but mine was.

My family is also the type to stick a flag as their car bumper sticker- I've always been opposed. I would take it off, not because I was ashamed, I just didn't want it to define who I was. I'm not a flag. I am not my ethnicity. I am me. My mother of course would think it was my "racist" neighbor that would take off the bumper sticker.

I had a friend who is raising 4 girls and teaching them that their race is the best race. White people are trash and minorities are the better ones. White people are racist and hate it when minorities bring something better to the table- because white people always want to be in the spot light. ← where does this logic come from?


I'm not sure about the rest of you, but isn't it all a little ignorant?

It's one thing to be "proud of your roots" but it's another to make it a production out of it.

What does being "proud where you come from", "proud of your roots", "pride for your ethnicity" even mean?

Anyone out there think the same or are you against this type of thinking?

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Old Jun 25, 2009, 10:56 PM   #11  
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I had a friend who is raising 4 girls and teaching them that their race is the best race. []White people are trash and minorities are the better ones. White people are racist and hate it when minorities bring something better to the table- because white people always want to be in the spot light. ← where does this logic come from?
I know this is an older post but I would like to add here.

As human beings our eyes see color in many light spectrum's. Thats a good thing. As we grow up we use this to identify shapes and then colors. Our brains start to connect the both together to mean or identify something.

Snow on the ground doesn't look like rain. So when we see snow we think its cold out because thats usually required for snow to lay on the ground. Its what we are exposed to and see with our eyes to represent things.

Why does red mean stop and green go....... Its what we accepted it to mean.

As we use our eyes we start to identify people that way. Before the tanning beds we would see a white person with a tan during the winter and say that person must be from the south where its hot and sunny. Or they were on a southern beach vacation. The color identified that person to a point.

Many of the cultures/races is identifiable by color and looks. The comment she looks Italian and has that smooth Italian skin.

All of this is normal and natural and its part of our senses.

When you think about the word racist whats the first thing that comes to your mind. Color. We get stuck on that because of the big difference in color of races. Racist in the U.S. is more of color issue mainly because of two different distinct colors. Generically it's easier to identify certain races. Our eyes recognize the spectrum's differences. I remember back in the 70s I could identify a car at night just by its white headlight brightness and shape and position on the car.

Whats very interesting is the Puerto Ricans will refer to another Puerto Rican and say " He's a dark or black Puerto Rican.
Different forms of racism:

We visually look at President Obama and label him African American. He looks like a light skinned black man with black features yet he.s 1/2 white.

By proper Definition hes not an African American. Yet the races call him that because of color and that resemblance of a race.

He is a mulatto
define:mulatto - Google Search

So by true Definition labeling him an African American is being racist to the Mulatto's. Calling him a White president may also be racist to the Mulatto's. Ironically to be correct he is simply an American that happens to be a Mulatto

To get it right, historically he is the first Mulatto American to become the U.S. President.

That being said,lets keep this neutral and in the classroom...

" Mulatto: was commonly used in Europe for centuries and to this day and not as a derogatory connotation.

It seems the U.S. is the only country that negatively pushed the race cards so hard when it came to black and white. One could easily say that for 100s of years there were to distinct races, White and black. Again its our eyes that pick up on this.

Obviously the actual color is not the issue. Its what we perceive it to represent and their lies the problems we have here and all over the world.

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I'm not a racist.
I think its so sad we need to say this to express thoughts about races.

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Race, ethnicity, background, religion, sexual orientation or whatever should not define someone or a certain group
To prove we all have some racist in us lets look at housing in the U.S.

I do find it ironic that we all say Don't be racist, and yet we all usually feel better living with our own race. I drive through neighbors in the cities and see our natural racism.

The Spanish with the Spanish, The blacks with the blacks. The whites with the whites. When The U.S. was more predominately white, the cities were segregated to religion and different white races. It was the Italians with the Italians. The Jews with Jews, Germans with Germans etc... Weather it be simply by nature or design or choice. To this day most would rather live with there own kind for whatever reason. Obviously this isn't everybody. But it does exist..

To prove that a step further go back to U.S. desegregation of schools in the 60s. Now its 2009. The schools today are naturally reverting back to segregated schools. The white fight took place and now we have many all black schools, many all Spanish schools, all Mexican schools. Explain that as not being a type of racist. Why be ashamed of that. We all are racist at some point.

Races will never go away until we all become one color and all look the same. Until then we are what we are. Be kind to all and hope it comes back. Set the example.
 
 
     
 
 
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How about this, why don't we all just get over it and realize that America is a melting pot and will remain so until the end of humanity. If racist white people want to live in a country where the majority is white people then go to Russia. If black people want to live in a country where people are majority black then northern africa is your homestead, and the same goes for mexicans or any other people of a particular race and is racist. GET OVER IT.

There, I'm done.....*snaps fingers* "Watson, bring me my cigar*
 
 
     
 
 
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To this day most would rather live with there own kind for whatever reason. Obviously this isn't everybody. But it does exist..
Hello boat:

I don't agree. SOME small minded racist people would rather live with their own. But MOST of the country has grown beyond that.

Yes, racism does exist. For MY part, however, when I look for a place to live, I DON'T look at the color of my neighbors... Maybe that's because I'm NOT racist.

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Hi excon,

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But MOST of the country has grown beyond that.
Not sure what country you live in but to state that is very naive to say the least.

Just to point out how prevalent that is look at the rubber stamping here of professing ones view.

Excons part it quote...
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Mudweiser....
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See how society's conditioning produces this opposite labeling here, over compensating. I feel this has gone so far one way that it greatly inhibits dialog between the races to iron things out. Its to a point that it stifles us as a country. Take it the next step and all of us must like our neighbors. Odd how many times that is never truly achieved. Funny how thats not an issue unless the other person is of a different race. You may still have the EXACT opinion but are supposed to keep it quite because its considered and automatic racial comment. Gee could it be they happen to be of another race and you just don't like then because they are trash the neighborhood or are to loud too many times.

Maybe some day the other cultures will realize its more about trash and crime period. Maybe they will understand that the U.S. wants there streets back , to be clean, safe, like those streets were 5, 10, 20, years ago.

Excon not sure what country you live in but here in the U.S. there is natural segregation period. All you have to do is open up your eyes and do the visual thing and study the Demographic housing form the white flights and the other race flights.

My city 50,000 went from predominately white to about a 1/3 white 1/3 black 1/3 Puerto Rican. Guess what after, its basically segregated by natural expanding. The blacks complain about living by the Puerto Ricans. The Puerto Ricans complain About the opposite. In a nut shell Whites/blacks/Puerto Ricans all generally have the same feelings and complaints.

Excon please lets not knee jerk your response to this my last sentence to be correct by a 99% statement. I'm stating If had an empty city and lined up all the ethnic groups. Asked them to get together and pick out where theres groups want to live MOST will surround themselves with there own culture/race in the housing pick. That is a natural form of racism. Just study the history of housing in NY in the early days.

I think you are either very naive here or your ideology's is getting in the way of actual visual facts.

The quite power struggle I see in housing is real and quite often.

Even the Salvadorians in my town have verbally expressed the same thing. Need to wake up here and see the reality of it.

What ever the ideology's you have or even me facts and statistic won't change, at least in the near future.

I personally have no problem with natural racism at all. It actually represent the freedom we have in this country for all races. Within reason we chose how we want to live and where.

Personally I find it all but impossible to find an actual site to discuss races differences. What few forums I find is either an ACLU Jessi Jackson site or the white extremists. Its all but impossible to find a good grown up ( keep it in the classroom ) site and state feelings/opinions etc. It really comes to a halt when One post actual Government reports of crime/ rape/ etc.

Whats the old saying. ( Truths can hurt ) My race isn't perfect and I'm not naive about that.

Too many times Its so bad we can't even get to the " I agree we disagree"

The problem I feel is a poster will use one incident to justify

Just to re a firm the natural racism of 4 million Puerto Ricans on there island the blacks live mostly in Lozia. The Amerciano choose locations they grouped in. As I was shopping for a house in Puerto Rico the Puerto Rican that works full time for a customer of mine in the states as he also lives there was showing me housing doesn't there. He knew me for over 20 years. He started to show me where the white Amerciano lived first, assumed like him back in the states wanting to live beside my own race.

I CHOOSE NOT to live with the white Amerciano. 99% of my neighbors in P.R. is Puerto Ricans. I have some of the nicest neighbors then one can imagine. Old school Puerto Ricans..
 
 
     
 
 
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Hello again, boat:

We just fundamentally disagree.

You are unable to see the forest because of the trees. The dynamics of racism can't be identified by a particular moment of time. It needs to be viewed as a journey - not a destination.

We're taking that journey. I dunno when we'll get to the end, but I know what it looks like when we get there.

You're taking a moment of time along that journey, and saying that's how we are... But, that's not so. A moment in time taken 200 years ago, when we owned black people, didn't represent us, any more than the moment in time you're talking about now.

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I don't believe all have racism. Many do not. It is only an excuse some racists use to take the spot light off their racism....and others fall for it.
I like asking people what their ethinicity is because I find it interesting. I feel that we are losing our culture heritage and many young people don't even understand the question when asked. I think that part is sad.
I remember when people were proud of their ethinicity, heritage and culture.
 
 
     
 
 
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I like asking people what their ethinicity is because I find it interesting. I feel that we are losing our culture heritage and many young people don't even understand the question when asked. I think that part is sad.
I remember when people were proud of their ethinicity, heritage and culture
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I agree with that and wish it was more often. When I work in the Caribbean I meet many different cultures. And many were very interesting to say the least.

On the flip side I see misplaced pride.

I feel we should all be good ambassadors of our race and wish it was more often on all races.

Bottom line is if one culture has a negative opinion about another culture listen to that complaint to see what validation it may or may not have. If that validation is real then tweak it. Whats the old saying. " Lest not give them fuel for the fire" / Lets not give them something negative to talk about"

Lets not be in the news for a negative reason.

My biggest pet peeve is lets not be physically lazy and throw trash on the streets. Show the rest of the communities and the world we are really proud of our cultures and streets and not look like hogs. Think how easy that could be done and not cost money to hit the public trash cans or your own garbage can...

THATS real PRIDE of ones culture> Whats the other old saying talk is easy doing something is harder.
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Sarah,

I'm half Lebanese and half "American"( meaning American descendants from other places, generations ago).I'm darker skinned also, and I live in a small southern town where that is "different" . You were either white or black. But I had friends of both races, ALWAYS have, and ALWAYS will. With all the bad press Lebanon has been getting over the last 40 years, I've had some prejudice, and some smarta$$ remarks, but all in all it's not been bad at all. My paternal grandparents came over from" the old country", and made a good living. I AM PROUD of my roots and will be forever. I cook the food, I play the music, I butcher the language. You see, I believe that where we came from is who we are. Being ashamed of your heritage is an insult to your ancestors. I don't look down on anyone. I don't judge people by the color of their skin, but by their actions. And am teaching my sons the same. I am not sexist, I believe that GOD's greatest creation is woman. I am amazed at the ignorance in the world concerning racism. And we ALL came from somewhere else( except for native indians) , so don't talk bad about immigrants. But I don't think you should "hang" with just your ethnic group. We are all Americans, something that I am proud of . One day, maybe we will all look at each other as equals. In the meantime we'll just have to be tolerant. GOD bless us all.
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Science has proven that human life started in Africa
Actually thats a bit misleading. The planet earth Land mass started with one Continent and weather you call if Africa or not The bottom line is, all the continents were formed by continental Drift , period.

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A moment in time taken 200 years ago, when we owned black people, didn't represent us, any more than the moment in time you're talking about now.
There was a lot more WE that didn't own black people, also blacks owned blacks at one time, Better bone up on complete history. So the WE here is what? Other nations owned blacks,whites etc..

I disagree here completely. Most of the animosity today between the black and white culture is based on the ( 200 years ago) Don't know what cave you are living in. The (S) word is still being brought up to often in present day by the Blacks and I'm not talking history month.

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The dynamics of racism can't be identified by a particular moment of time
The time is the present and the present will come in time. So the statement " During the time of slavery" meant nothing to you.... I see by your philosophy that there is no meaning in time, no starting point or grounding to base things on.

Excon I not only see the trees from the forest I study Human beings in responses/conditioned responses etc and how we as a species tick. MOST of whats being said here is are typical responses form what ever side of the fence someones on.

To get that out of the box and see the BIGGER picture. I was born in the 50s and I have seen a hell of a lot of changes in the U.S. in cultures and Government, not to mention traveled parts of the world and partly living out of the States every year. Real Education different forest. Not just out of a book...... Or slanted medias agendas, and knee jerk reactions by quip remarks or trendy statements.

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I don't agree. SOME small minded racist people would rather live with their own. But MOST of the country has grown beyond that.
First of all its a choice to live with ones own race. THATS not being a RACIST period>>>>

If thats the way you feel then you best get out and visit your country. Also cross check that in time with the census of the demographics in populations through out the U.S. and the geographical shift changes in concentration of races for the past 30 years. Never heard the word "China town" Spanish Harlem" etc etc....
 
 
     
 
 
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Does it really matter what race people are? America is a MELTING POT. You don't like it, get out. It's as simple as that.
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