wine and spirits

orange · Mar 13, 2006, 10:23 PM

I feel a little bit guilty for posting in here while I am in mourning and observing shiva... but I'm having trouble sleeping again and I guess this is a bit of a distraction for me. If you're curious what I'm talking about, please read my thread under bereavement:

http://www.askmehelpdesk.com/bereavement/tragic-news-22654.html

Anyways, these are 2 simple questions about wine and spirits. I know that some Christians and most Muslims do not drink any alcohol. My first question is, can they cook with alcohol? Because with most recipes, the actual alcohol evaporates during the cooking.

My second question is for Christians who don't drink alcohol. Didn't Jesus drink? I remember reading in the NT that some people called him a drunkard, and also that he turned water into wine at a wedding. Or maybe what he drank wasn't alcohol as we know it today?

Anyways I'm just really curious about both, so if anyone wants to enlighten me I'd appreciate it, thanks!

magprob · Apr 21, 2006, 10:46 AM

WOW! Can I have a bite of that taco? I can't find a gooood taco here in Idaho! You just gave me an idea for the name of a band..."Holographic Taco"...cool ugh?

Starman · Apr 21, 2006, 10:50 AM

I wasn't referring to your intellectual abilities. Only to your needs to be expressive.

Hypatia · Apr 21, 2006, 11:30 AM

Mag you might not like my taco's. They are spinach, rabbit, tomato and sauce. I only eat meat I kill. I will sing in your band, I have an ok voice..lol.
Starman more people need to be expressive like me. We might not live in such an intellectually supressed world if they did.

I wear my heart on my sleeve.

Hypatia

Starman · Apr 21, 2006, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Hypatia

Mag you might not like my taco's. They are spinach, rabbit, tomato and sauce. I only eat meat I kill. I will sing in your band, I have an ok voice..lol.
Starman more people need to be expressive like me. We might not live in such an intellectually supressed world if they did.

I wear my heart on my sleeve.

Hypatia

No problemo!
Hey, I usd to eat a lot of tacos when I lived in Chicago.
Good food!

Morganite · Apr 21, 2006, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Starman

If we approach the Bible believing it to be just a hodge podge of men's ideas, we will expect contradictions see contradictions everywhere. But when we approach the Bible with the certainty that it has one author-God, who doesn't contradict himself, then we will rightfully assume that what might seem like contradictions are really based on our inability to permit one scripture from shedding light on another.

I agree that God does not contradict himself. But it is undeniable that the Bible contains contradictions and other errors. It was not the hand of God that put the ink on the parchment, but the hands of men, some who were inspired, and some were obviously more inspired than others because there is not one standard of inspiration throughout the bible.

Many of the original monographs were edited later to refashion the theology to suit the prevailing accepted teachings.

This is only hard to take if one adopts the position that the Bible is God-breathed in every single word, errors and all, and that the present texts represent the texts as originally written.

Such a view cannot be supported.

M

RGANITE

Starman · Apr 21, 2006, 08:58 PM

I haven't yet come across a contradiction that didn't have a logical explanation or that didn't turn out to be a misunderstanding. I don't blindly believe in concepts that lack support.

STONY · Apr 23, 2006, 11:21 AM

To Orange On Spirits And Wine:

The Alcoholic Content Is The Only Difference. Wine Has A Low Percentage Of Alcohol And Spirits Are A
Stronger Variety. Remember Jesus Also Said Something About Not Drinkiing "new Wine" With His Apostles Until They Were In Heaven.

orange · Apr 23, 2006, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by STONY

To Orange On Spirits And Wine:

The Alcoholic Content Is The Only Difference. Wine Has A Low Percentage Of Alcohol And Spirits Are A
Stronger Variety. Remember Jesus Also Said Something About Not Drinkiing "new Wine" With His Apostles Until They Were In Heaven.

What is new wine? I've never heard that term before.

Btw, thanks everyone for continuing to post and discuss in this thread. I appreciate it and have enjoyed reading everything. I'm very close to having my baby at this point (2-3 weeks and they are going to induce me), and I have trouble sitting for long periods, so I'm not on much to contribute. But I do appreciate all the discussion, thanks.

Starman · May 4, 2006, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by orange

What is new wine? I've never heard that term before.

The new wine mentioned in the Bible is wine which is undergoing fermentation. That's why new wine would produce gasses that would put pressure on old wineskins which lacked the needed elasticity to expand and cause them to burst.

Mark 2:22 (NKJV)

"Jesus said, 'No one sews a piece of unshrunk cloth on an old garment; or else the new piece pulls away from the old, and the tear is made worse. And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; or else the new wine bursts the wineskins, the wine is spilled, and the wineskins are ruined. But new wine must be put into new wineskins." (Mark 2:21-22)

BibleGateway.com - Keyword Search: new wine

orange · May 4, 2006, 01:37 AM

Thanks for that answer, Starman. So then is Stony saying in effect that the reason some Christians don't drink wine is because Jesus said they would not drink new wine until they were with him in heaven? Like is all current wine considered new wine?



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