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I feel a little bit guilty for posting in here while I am in mourning and observing shiva... but I'm having trouble sleeping again and I guess this is a bit of a distraction for me. If you're curious what I'm talking about, please read my thread under bereavement:
Anyways, these are 2 simple questions about wine and spirits. I know that some Christians and most Muslims do not drink any alcohol. My first question is, can they cook with alcohol? Because with most recipes, the actual alcohol evaporates during the cooking.
My second question is for Christians who don't drink alcohol. Didn't Jesus drink? I remember reading in the NT that some people called him a drunkard, and also that he turned water into wine at a wedding. Or maybe what he drank wasn't alcohol as we know it today?
Anyways I'm just really curious about both, so if anyone wants to enlighten me I'd appreciate it, thanks!
If we approach the Bible believing it to be just a hodge podge of men's ideas, we will expect contradictions see contradictions everywhere. But when we approach the Bible with the certainty that it has one author-God, who doesn't contradict himself, then we will rightfully assume that what might seem like contradictions are really based on our inability to permit one scripture from shedding light on another.
For example, the Israelites who were the wilderness for forty years were being punished for their lack of faith. So their condition was a special one and should be viewed that way when we consider the prohibition of drinking wine. The confusion concerning this would emerge if we cast aside our knowledge of this fact or did not consider it relevant-which it is.
Numbers 32:13
And the LORD'S anger was kindled against Israel, and he made them wander in the wilderness forty years, until all the generation, that had done evil in the sight of the LORD, was consumed.
But when we approach the Bible with the certainty that it has one author-God, who doesn't contradict himself, then we will rightfully assume that what might seem like contradictions are really based on our inability to permit one scripture from shedding light on another.
It seems like you have really convinced yourself of this. Is it not already proven that the bible was written by several men and the word "inspired" by God?
Interesting take and manipulation of that theory. This is how man warps everything to reflect his own image. A plethora of interpretation where everyone is right until you are labeled a heretic.
It seems like you have really convinced yourself of this. Is it not already proven that the bible was written by several men and the word "inspired" by God?
Hypatia
Drink more Wine.
Just as you have convinced yourself otherwise.
I never said it wasn't written by men. God inspired men to write via his holy spirit.
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2 Peter 1:19-21
20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
I am convinced of nothing, but I do lean to my knowledge and research compared to the thoughts of others.
Did you not just write "approach the Bible with the certainty that it has one author-God"? So this means every man who wrote it was magicly cleared of his interpretative ability and he channeled God while writing his portion of the bible?
You sure can spout bible quotes but do you live in totality by those words? Have you drank wine? Had a beer? Sipped a port? Tossed a shot?
I have been labled a Heretic as we can see by this message:
This "disapproval" comment you gave:
"magprob disagrees: If that were true, we would have seen Jesus on the Welchs grape juice commercials by now!"
has been reported as inappropriate. You have insulted a religious belief. I gave a fact, and you disapproved with your own insulting opinion. This should not be allowed, and hopefully it will be deleted; not being shown in a Public Post to a valid question.
fredg
I replied that if you will show me proof of this statement, in the bible, I will give a public apoligy. If not, then I still disagree with you. I am sure people have been drinking grape juice for many years but in the bible it says Jesus drank WINE. To change that because someone thinks drinkinking wine is a sin has no basis in fact, only superstition... DOGMA.
"Justinian's despotic control over the Church was such that priests, bishops and even the pope were essentially powerless to resist his imperial doctrinal decrees. Justinian believed he and his wife, the power mad ex prostitute Theodora, were the elect of GOD to whom HE had entrusted the entire Christian empire, including Rome. Together they made dogma and translated it into law-adding clerical approvals as a mere formality."*
* See Milton V. Anastos, Justinian's Despotic Control over the Church...and his letter to Pope John II in 533.
I am convinced of nothing, but I do lean to my knowledge and research compared to the thoughts of others.
Did you not just write "approach the Bible with the certainty that it has one author-God"? So this means every man who wrote it was magicly cleared of his interpretative ability and he channeled God while writing his portion of the bible?
You sure can spout bible quotes but do you live in totality by those words? Have you drank wine? Had a beer? Sipped a port? Tossed a shot?
Hypatia
And your sources are completely devoid of the thoughts of others? Strange!
Of course I have tasted wine and beer. There is nothing in the Bible prohibiting it. Do I believe the Bible is inspired yes. Obviously you don't. But that's OK since everyone has a right to an opinion. So I am not angered by your choice of beliefs. I am simply responding to them for the sake of calm respectful discussion which you seem to have difficulty with.
BTW
What you consider magical is merely a trifle for God. Many things today might seem magical to our ancestors who would not understand how we do it.
I have no difficulty with your beliefs or thoughts, I only speak passionately and you are interpreting this as negativity to yourself. I hold passion in my writing and thinking, I simply do not know how to be dull.
I think the bible was inspired but not dictated. It is like watching a sunset and metaphorically comparing it to love in a poem. It is rich with inspiration and divine love and the author might never write such a brilliant thought provoking work again. Is an entire religion founded from this poem? Could be. Christianity was formed this way.
I am not judgemental by nature, I only pick a side and debate from that side. Often I switch sides if I see a valid point over the fence. the purpose of discussion and debate is to learn. The sad truth is most people do not learn but prefer to argue and further cement their beliefs.
I only find it comical when anyone in the world chooses to acknowledge a belief or theory but doesnt follow that belief or theory exactly. It is like a cop who breaks the law. You cant be on the fence and say " I AM" on this side or that side. You either Are completely or Are Not.
I do not aim the above specifically at you, it is only a general statement.
I don't take such displays personally as you accuse me of doing.
I simply said that you seem to be laboring heavily under the restraints of this forum.
BTW
When I am quoted and the person who quotes uses the pronoun "you" I understand it to mean me. Sorry.
I fail to see the rub you are referring to Magprop. Can you please explain what you mean by "rub?" She claimed not to be speaking to me. I said she was because she used the word "you" You jumped in accusing me of having a "rub"? How's that?
You consider her posts intelligent. Good and well. But please grant others to differ with your opinion if they wish to.
Shi-at compadre, im not laboring! This is light stuff for me. I can discuss philosophy, ethics, religion, enlightenment, etc etc ad nauseum in my sleep.
Im brilliant, though I have trouble spelling being dislexic with a half broken keyboard that forgets to recognize the freaking shift button.
Heck, Im writing an article on how the theory of Dr Bohm's holographic universe ties into the collective experience that drives man to seek religion. Im also eating a taco, playing with my 2 year old son, working on a cd image for a DC band, posting here and signing petitions in the meantime.
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