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I was just wondering why those of you with religions chose to believe in it. That is other then it being what your family has done. just wondering because I myself am not religious at all, so I'm not trying to bash on anyone and I also don't want to be converted.
Comments on this postfirmbeliever disagrees: I didnt know evolution of humans was a proven fact? Disclaimer: What I am saying is not to prove a point or start an arguement with anyone who does not agree with me.This is just in answer to rondom1/erics question on faith and why we believe what we believe.
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I really find your negative comment hard to understand. Otto's response in this thread was to the OP, just as your's was. He stated his opnions and why he has them. No where did he indicate that evolution was fact. I found nothing different in the tone of your post and his. Your disclaimer was well put and should have applied equally as well to his post as yours. I beleive you owe him an apology.
The answer is easy. I was raised as a Free Will Baptist, but now I am Atheist. I dont believe in God, I believe in what I can see and prove. There is no way a Bibliological being magically created the world and us as human beings. But I can explain how the world was created by astronomy, and how humans were created by "evolution".
Most people need to believe in something higher than themselves, and a lot of times religion meets that criteria.
I'm going to play devil's advocate here. You see I also believe in the theory of evolution. I also believe in things I can see and prove (at least to my satisfaction). But where I differ from you is in your contention that "no way a Bibliological being magically created the world and us as human beings". Have you ever considered the possibility that some extra worldly intelligence set up the laws of physics and biology, etc. And then manipulated them to cause the creation of the universe and this planet? That such an intelligence also manipulated the laws of biology to result in homo sapiens evolving?
No I don't believe in Genesis and its stories about the Garden of Eden. But I don't discount the possibility that some intelligence created and even manipulated the scientific laws that resulted inthe world as we know it.
I'm going to play devil's advocate here. You see I also believe in the theory of evolution. I also believe in things I can see and prove (at least to my satisfaction). But where I differ from you is in your contention that "no way a Bibliological being magically created the world and us as human beings". Have you ever considered the possibility that some extra worldly intelligence set up the laws of physics and biology, etc. And then manipulated them to cause the creation of the universe and this planet? That such an intelligence also manipulated the laws of biology to result in homo sapiens evolving?
No I don't believe in Genesis and its stories about the Garden of Eden. But I don't discount the possibility that some intelligence created and even manipulated the scientific laws that resulted inthe world as we know it.
That is a good point I have never really thought of. I can understand your point of view, I can even say its a possibility, as big as the universe is, the millions of galaxies and the hundreds of millions of planets, that there may be other intelligence out there.
I still favor the evolutionary theory. To me, it is more believable to have simple life forms evolve to survive until we got where we are today.
I'm not telling you what to believe, I'm only offering a potentially viable alternative that ackowledges the scientifically provable facts yet offers the belief in a higher power.
Good boy ScottGem. If only I could give you another green point.
Science doesn't seem to be afraid of religion; in fact it wants to investigate it not to disprove it, but many times to help bring proofs.
Religion, on the other hand, seems to be very very very fearful of science. How come? Take a look at history and there are a million examples explaining why.
To put it simply, those who are religous are afraid of being proven wrong. They are afraid of God not existing, Genesis not being true, etc.
I must add, this is my opinion and not meant to start an argument.
First of all, I live in a Jewish household where religion is not a priority and the three of us (myself and my parents) have gone in three different directions.
My father does not believe in organized religion. I have never understood this.
My mother attends a congregation of Jews for Jesus (Messianic Jews). I personally believe this is hypocritical because if you believe in Jesus, you are Christian.
I go to a Lutheran church. I consider myself to be a Jewish Christian. I celebrate ALL holidays. I am Jewish because that is my heritage. I am Christian because I believe that Jesus died for our sins.
You may ask why, if Jesus died for our sins, are we still sinful? God gave us free will. He gave us the freedom to make choices, both good and bad. He also made it so there would be consequences for our actions. I obviously cannot say for sure if Biblical stories such as that of Adam and Eve actually happened or not, but I believe that if they did not happen, they were written to teach their readers lessons. The lesson in that story is that, as I said, there are consquences for our actions.
I believe everything happens for a reason, and that God, with the assistance of our deceased loved ones, is watching over us to make sure we are living good, decent and honest lives. I don't believe God "created" consequences, just the concept of them. We create those.
As for the science vs religion battle:
Does anyone know how long "days" lasted at the beginning of time? No. It is entirely possible that the "days" in Genesis are not the same as our 24 hour days. I believe that each "day" covers a different prehistorical period, which accounts for the dinosaurs. I believe the creation timeline is the same as the evolutionary timeline. We KNOW scientifically that dinosaurs existed before humans, therefore, the creatures God created could easily have been dinosaurs.
I think I'm going to stop now before I get too far ahead of myself.
Good boy ScottGem. If only I could give you another green point.
Science doesn't seem to be afraid of religion; in fact it wants to investigate it not to disprove it, but many times to help bring proofs.
Religion, on the other hand, seems to be very very very fearful of science. How come? Take a look at history and there are a million examples explaining why.
Islam is not afraid of science, in fact many times in the Quran Allah(swt) asks the believers to look at the creations and seek knowledge and to ask the people who know about such things and then to verify and to know that these indeed are miracles of the Lord!
Quran chapter 002 verse 042
"And cover not Truth with falsehood, nor conceal the Truth when ye know (what it is)."
chapter 002 verse 164
"Behold! in the creation of the heavens and the earth; in the alternation of the night and the day; in the sailing of the ships through the ocean for the profit of mankind; in the rain which Allah Sends down from the skies, and the life which He gives therewith to an earth that is dead; in the beasts of all kinds that He scatters through the earth; in the change of the winds, and the clouds which they Trail like their slaves between the sky and the earth;- (Here) indeed are Signs for a people that are wise."
We would not know about these creations until we study them...
P.S sorry Otto, my question wasnt meant as a challenge just a question as I havent really read up on the updates of the evolution theory and didnt know it had got proven..
was just checking to see if my facts were right!!
Does anyone know how long "days" lasted at the beginning of time? No. It is entirely possible that the "days" in Genesis are not the same as our 24 hour days. I believe that each "day" covers a different prehistorical period, which accounts for the dinosaurs. I believe the creation timeline is the same as the evolutionary timeline. We KNOW scientifically that dinosaurs existed before humans, therefore, the creatures God created could easily have been dinosaurs.
Back 150,000-200,000 years ago, the days were much shorter than they are in present day time. This is due to the distance between the Earth and the Moon during this time period. Over time, the moon moved farther away from the Earth, approximately an inch and a half each year.
Second, dinosaurs could have came before humans. The earliest human was dated to be 200,000 years old, but they were not ordinary humans, they were known as Neanderthals. They were specially evolved to withstand cold, harsh climates.
For Oracle Monroe,
I found the following on the net...
"In algebra the Arabs contributed first of all the name. The word "algebra" come from the title of a text book in the subject, Hisab al-jabr w'al muqabala, written about 830 by the astronomer/mathematician Mohammed ibn-Musa al-Khowarizmi. This title is sometimes translated as "Restoring and Simplification" or as "Transposition and Cancellation." Our word "algorithm" in a corruption of al-Khowarizmi's name.
The algebra of the Arabs was entirely rhetorical.
They could solve quadratic equations, recognizing two solutions, possibly irrational, but usually rejected negative solutions. The poet/mathematician Omar Khayyam (1050 - 1130) made significant contributions to the solution of cubic equations by geometric methods involving the intersection of conics."
Thank you for that information. I read something about this in an ancient history class, but I could not give the scholarly references, as my books are currently all over the place.
I always like learning new things about different religions, cultures and languages.
For your info again...
in reference to periods of time in the Quran about creation in six epochs of time.
"The Arabic word singular is ‘yaum’ plural is ‘ayyam’. It can either mean a day of 24 hours, or it is a very long period, a ‘yaum’, an epoch."
I am not an Arab, but a muslim from a very different cultural background
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