I'd love to know why ppl think if your wiccan your going to hell, or that your a sananist. From my experiance (i was brought up christian) christian's look down upon the wiccan and or pagan religion's. Because it's not following ''god's'' will. Thus, were (wiccan's and or pagan's going to hell. It's so very rude to judge someone who believes differently. It's ignorant to also try to preach to them and convert them. Why do ppl do this? I personally hate it and wish i could beat ppl down for it. Make's me crazy. Wicca/pagan ppl do not have anything to do with satanism. There is what is called a left and right hand path. Light per say and dark. Neither path is evil. Satanism in a certain perspective is perfectly fine. It is wrong (to me) when a sanaist kills ppl or animals to sacrifice. But, it started out as a ''selfinvolved'' religion. Meaning that focus was on self other then the world or other's. Wicca and pagan's are the other route. It's all about the world, nature, loving other's and life. Outward. So with all this said, how are ppl so blind and rasist and ignorant to those who are different. I'd love to see a person try to tell me i'm going to hell or that i'm evil. I would simply say, let me tell you what i believe. I worship the goddess-same as god. I am thankful for the world and try to care for it and the inhabitant's of it.

poppa0777

Here is another point of view to consider: If there is no God, then there is no heaven or hell either, and the Bible is nothing but a pack of lies. So if you don't believe in God, you have nothing to concern yourself with....EXCEPT......what if you're wrong? What if there is God, and He is the Author of the Bible, and there really is a heaven and hell? Then we have a completely different set of circumstances to consider, because if it is true (and of course it is.....) then...we will be j
Judged by the very words we say we don't believe in.
I am not preaching to you, nor will I try to change your mind. I will only say that one of us is wrong. If I am wrong, then no sweat. IF, HOWEVER, you are wrong, you are in a heap of trouble young man.
I will be praying for you.

u08dc4

ah but poppa i didn't say i didn't believe in god. i'm agnostic i don't not believe in god, i just don't like the way christianity "mourns its religion" to quote a popular film. i'm very open to the idea that god exists but christians make me not want to be christian (not all christians, i have several friends training to be ministers and i understand and respect their views) i don't however respect the points of views of people who tell me i'm going to hell because i'm open to suggestion. The thing that annoys me is that i don't down right tell people that they are wrong and that evolution is a definate proccess (which i believe it is) i listen i understand and i agree to disagree. the extreme christians that i know basically look at me in a very patronising way and say that i'm wrong, what i don't understand is why can't they just agree that either one of us could be right about it? because no one alive can prove either way.

i would believe in an omnipresent god who judged you on who you were rather than what you believe, i think its rather spiteful not to.

Megg

Ok my question is poppa do u believe in dinosaurs? Where they in the bible? I've read the bible and they weren't in the one i read lol. So that must mean there is no such thing as a dinosaur.....wrong. There is proof that dino's walked the earth and that they evolved into bigger and more dangerous beasts. The world split into two different continents and the dino's on each had to addapt to there new environment. Same as the cave men. They had to addapt. There is so much proof of these things that just because it may go against your religion oh well. In my opinion your religion is wrong then. You can't deny fact. Point is evolution is real. Our bodies change every hundred year or so. Just take a look at the proof.
On another note, you say ''one of us is wrong''. Well what if your the one who is wrong poppa? Then you've wasted life believing and worshiping a nonesistant god. Dc4 if you were wrong, who cares, you've lived life without service to a god, you wasted nothing. Poppa i've gotten a feel of what ppl are like on this site. Who they are. I can't tell who you are though. All your words are bible this bible that. God this god that. You need to learn that sure you can be a christian, but you need to have an identity also. Your a thumper thats all. What do you think about life, what do you like, what's your goals? My goodness you don't even act like you have self. You act like your the voice of god. You need to have a healthy balence of religion and independance. Jesus didn't talk about religion and qoute the bible 100% all the time. He tried to relate to ppl and to talk to them as man to man friend to friend. Maybe if you'd lighten up a bit and realize not all ppl will be saved, let the fact that you are and that you've tried confort you. I'm not going to live life wondering if god is going to dislike me if i do this or that. What kind of messed up life is that. You have the right to make good and bad choices, to enjoy life. I fail to see how any christian who is like my gram actually enjoys life. Crazy. My gram thinks i shouldnt be with my fiance b/c he's not christian. Who cares? You love who you love. So if your married to someone god doesnt like your stuck being sad for it? My gram thinks that sex should be after marriage. Nah, if you do it out of love then i say do it. Gram says that if you have friends who aren't christian you shouldnt be there friend. No i say befriend everyone. Gram gets in everyone's business and tells them weither or not they are going to hell, weither or not they are living right and buggs them til you want to kill her. I say stfu and let ppl alone. If you want to be a thumper you dont deserve me as a friend. Trust me your missing out too cuz im a cool person. Stop thinking your superior and that we are lost puppies. Dc4 are you lost? Nope, me neither. I'll stick up for myself. I perosnally think anyone who thinks like my gram is a moron and needs to be spanked. Maybe what religions need is to be treated as we are. Sometime's maybe even tormented. Like we are. You think you know your gods, ha please. They know you, you don't know them. I'm sick of being judged, sick of being mocked, sick of being tormented by ppl who think they are god. Spare us the pity, spare us the words we don't listen. We've grown numb to the sound of your voice. Numb to your pain. If you want to be a fisherman of man, learn more about Jesus. At this point i feel like i could be a better fisherman. At least i dont lack conversational skills and personality. Kindness, love, conpassion. Bull, if u think you have it.

I'm addressing whomever thinks im addressing them. Free country free voice of opinion. Dont like it fine, but i say what i feel and i speak for many who don't speak up or are too chicken. I've gotten this far in life and i think im a good person. FU to whomever thinks differently. I will offend if need be. Were offended everyday. It's time we had a voice and speak up.

poppa0777

I pray you will mature enough to realize just how immature you are. It's sad and very scary. You think you have it all figured out, don't you? Write me back in about 30 years and you'll have a different point of view, rather than the rebellious one you have now. I am praying for you.
THE BIBLE IS THE ABSOLUTE FINAL AUTHORITY. WHAT YOU OR ME THINK ABOUT WHAT IS SAYS DOESN'T CHANGE IT A BIT. I CHOOSE TO ACCEPT IT, BELIEVE, AND AM DOING MY BEST TO LIVE IT. YOUR DISAGREEMENT WITH THAT DOESN'T CHANGE IT. GODS WAYS ARE NOT MAN'S WAYS. THE SOONER PEOPLE ACCEPT THAT, THE SOONER THEY WILL BA ABLE TO GET ALONG IN THIS LIFE.
WHEN I QUOTE THE SCRIPTURES, IT'S BECAUSE THEY ARE A PART OF ME. I LOVE THE WORD OF GOD. REMEMBER THAT I DIDN'T WRITE THEM, I JUST QUOTE THEM. DON'T SHOOT THE MESSENGER.
IF THAT SOUNDS HARD, THEN SO BE IT. THE BIBLE DOESN'T "PLAY FAVORITES" OR "TAKE SIDES". IT IS THE WORD OF GOD, AND MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO APOLOGY FOR THAT. THE BIBLE EVEN TELLS US THAT "PEOPLE WILL NOT ENDURE SOUND DOCTRINE".
As for your "Gram", it sounds like she's only to point you in the Bible way...,how can you fault her for that? If she didn't love you, she wouldn't put herself in that position to start with. The Bible says that if we fail to warn people, and they go to hell; then their blood will be on our hands, BUT if we do our part to warn them and they die in their sins, their blood will not be on our hands.
From your writings, it is apparent that you are in fact rebellious. Am I condemning you for that?? NO! I love you because you too were created by God, and He wants all of us to be happy. If you find fault with me for that......then I'm truly sorry for you, but never sorry for quoting the Word of God. God bless you.

poppa0777

by the way....you must have skjipped over the scripture about the dino's. IT"S IN THERE!

u08dc4

I'm going to go on the assumption that poppa thinks i'm a misinformed teenager and a boy, which i'm not (I'm not even a teenager). The bible was written by man not god. it may be gods words but it is still man's interperatation of those words, therefore it is fallible. i studied evolutionary biology and i took a church youth group as the youth leader so i have seen things from both sides.

the bible tries makes things black and white but it is full of contradictions, some christians take the word of only christ ignoring all before him, the old testament, but other pick and choose at what they believe and what they don't. god said an eye for an eye, jesus said forgiveness, ok most christians go for new over old there, but what about only eating fish on a friday, or not eating shellfish these things are just impractical nowadays.

I believe in being a good person and treating others as i would like them to treat me and i go out of my way to be a good person, if god (if he exists) doesn't let me in to "hevean" then so be it. at least i know i'll be on the opposite side of the fence from Hitler who did accept jesus as his lord and saviour but did one or two bad things in his life!

poppa0777

First, I assume nothing about you. The only insight I have was given by your own words, not mine.Secondly, the Bible says it was not written by any man's private intpretation, but by the Holy Ghost. The Bible is therefore completely infallible. The problems start when men interpret the Scriptures "with their own spin" on things. Your very limited studies certainly don't make you an expert if you've already started out incorrectly.Thirdly,the Bible does NOT say anything about eating or not eating fish on Fridays. These concepts come from man's religious ideas (the Roman Catholic church to be exact. They are not the authority either. Fourthly, you are confused about the Old and New Testament. Fifthly, as to you being a good person. That's wonderful that you are trying to be a good person, however, Jesus died for the sins of the world. The Bible clearly tells us that "there is none righteous, no not one." If "good intentions" would get us to heaven, then what did Jesus die for? Next, if you don't make it to heaven, it won't be because God doesn't let you in....it will be because of your decision to NOT believe the Bible and obey the Scriptures. Next, where in the world did you get the impression that Hitler was saved?? Saved people don't exterminate millions of people. A careful study of his own words prove that he did far more evil and harm to mankind than "one or two bad things in his life" (your words, not mine.
I hope you find the truth. Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. God bless you.

Retrotia

I'm sorry I just had to interject. Hitler is in Hell. He went to Catholic school & he was part Jewish. He was a distant decendant of Esau.God promised to be at war with Esau & Amalek forever, until their remembrance was stricken from under heaven(see Exodus 17:8-16)
God said, Jacob I have loved , but Esau I have hated(Romans 9:13) (Malachi 1:2-3)
Did 1 0r 2 things bad? try 6 million! I just don't see your reasoning. Anti-semitism is a sin, & will be judged in the time of "the judgment of nations."
The Judgment of the Living Nations. At the end of the Tribulation Period, after Israel has been judged, the nations of earth will be judged by Christ and His Church. This judgment will not be against individuals but against nations for their treatment of the Jewish people.

Megg

First of all, i am offended to be called immature. I prooved you wrong b4 and as i recall you even said that you agreed that you were wrong, so once again you'll need to realized once again your wrong. I'm 21. I've been through more crap then a lot of ppl have. I've learned life lessons the hard way. I don't have the answers to everything. There are many things that i would like to still learn, but when i kno something that is fact, its fact weither you like it or not. I voice my opinion weither you like it or not. I'm strong enough to not let you or any other religious fanatic try to fear me into a bogus religion. If this is what you want to show ppl about your religion, then don't expect ppl to convert anytime soon. You have a lot of things wrong. I was a christian for 18 years, i kno the bible very well so when you try to qoute faulse or exaturated things im going to laugh in your face and say wrong! At least kno of what you speak, and at least follow your own religion the currect way. Would Jesus like the way you or any of you are acting? No, he'd be ashamed. You force ppl to feel bad, force ppl to conform and force ppl to feel weak. I'm not weak, im not a subject to be toyed with, im not a slave and i most certainly am not going to be a product of insanity. So..., im more mature then you are. You want to fling the the bible around and act like your high and mighty. Your just upset because i rocked the foundations of what you think, you don't want to listen to reason or reality. You'd rather live in the dark rather then free yourslef and live in the light. Get off your throne. You qoute false words, i've read the bible and you twist it Retrotia and Poppa. In my opinion you need help b/c it seems a few screws are lose. Don't try to tell me i don't kno what im talking about. I think that your seriously in need of a reality check. No one care's what you say b/c in the end we will believe what we believe. You thought i didnt kno the bbile? Well i can fling it better then you if i need to.

Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity

u08dc4

Firstly "one or two bad things" was meant to be sarcastic! I most definitely don't agree with anything hitler did! and i'm fully aware that he was probably one of the most evil men in history, right up there with Stalin. I'm sorry if it was misinterpreted.

But Hitler did do those things and did believe in God and that Jesus died for his sins. my interpretation of your previous words was that as long as you accept god and jesus you would go to heaven and your sins forgiven. I was just pointing out that, that probably wasn't the only way to get in or out. nothing meant personally i really do hope Hitler is in hell if there is one.

Retoria, one thing that confuses me, and i don't claim to be an expert, and my knowledge and understandings of catholicism as poppa quite rightly pointed out is limited, is that you said all Esua descendants are going to hell, does that mean even if they are good? as god gave them free will?

I also agree with poppa that the problems do arise when people start to put their own spin on things and when they interpret things differently from others, that was the point i was trying to make. i believe in some power higher than my own i do not however want that tainted by views which i can't agree with on a personal level. i have found this within the catholic church, its not the catholic persons fault, its my interpretation of how i would want people to treat me and hence how i treat them. For example i would never tell someone who was confused about their religious views that they were down right going to hell. people have questions and others have answers but i don't like scare tactics.

I've grown up around people who treat their religion terribly (protestant catholic sectarianism is very violent where i live) perhaps now you'll understand why i don't like how different groups interpret the bible in different ways.