I'd love to know why ppl think if your wiccan your going to hell, or that your a sananist. From my experiance (i was brought up christian) christian's look down upon the wiccan and or pagan religion's. Because it's not following ''god's'' will. Thus, were (wiccan's and or pagan's going to hell. It's so very rude to judge someone who believes differently. It's ignorant to also try to preach to them and convert them. Why do ppl do this? I personally hate it and wish i could beat ppl down for it. Make's me crazy. Wicca/pagan ppl do not have anything to do with satanism. There is what is called a left and right hand path. Light per say and dark. Neither path is evil. Satanism in a certain perspective is perfectly fine. It is wrong (to me) when a sanaist kills ppl or animals to sacrifice. But, it started out as a ''selfinvolved'' religion. Meaning that focus was on self other then the world or other's. Wicca and pagan's are the other route. It's all about the world, nature, loving other's and life. Outward. So with all this said, how are ppl so blind and rasist and ignorant to those who are different. I'd love to see a person try to tell me i'm going to hell or that i'm evil. I would simply say, let me tell you what i believe. I worship the goddess-same as god. I am thankful for the world and try to care for it and the inhabitant's of it.

Megg

Poppa, did you even read my last post?
I care what people say in regards to my own opinions. I speak my mind only to show ppl a different side to things. I'm not the type of person to normally get offened, but with certain opinions, i disagree and therefore do not agree and speak out against it. I will appologize to you and anyone else in this thread. I'm quick to anger sometimes this i know. I am sorry for being a bit loud and angered. I should have remained calm. After all you can't hope to show someone your veiws and expect them to listen or agree when your yelling at them. :-) So with that i say, i am not a christian at this time, however i try to keep the golden rules close at hand, in order to try to be a good person. When i refered to 1 Corinthians 13 i wasn't implying that i follow it word for word or that i even believe every word. I was trying to use it as an example of something i memorized and learned within my time as a christian and Missionette. I just wanted to show that i too, know the bible and wanted to make that clear so that you could know that i had belonged to a religion. I was a christian for 18 years or so. I was close to god and enjoyed being so. As i've said in other posts, i fell away from god because i don't understand and agree with a few things in the bible. Also my parnet's clamed to be christians, but were different people inside and out of church. I refused to be a hypocrite, and to not be like them. I wanted to serve god with my whole heart, in so doing i need to find myself and where i stand in this world. Til then i will remain without religion. Does that clear anything up?
I wanted you to know you were talking to someone with wisdom and knowledge about the religion. If i didn't know about christianity i would not have posted this question. I believe that the christian faith has become too hard, cold and lukewarm. Thus i question your way of thinking in order to rock the foundations of what you believe. It's better to question your faith then to believe blindfully. With this all said, i have made my appology, i have cleared up what i hope will help you understand better.
Regarding the charity and love debate, charity is the same thing as love just a different and older word. I gave serveral sites to look at refering to love and charity. I hope that i was able to show you that indeed they are one in the same, if you still feel that i am wrong, you are denying truth and denying truth is like denying that Jesus died and rose the 3rd day. Maybe you learned something new today, that would be a good thing. It's always nice to learn something new.
I hope we all take something from this conversation. Although it was heated once and awhile, i think for the most part a lot was said that needed to be said and perhaps we can continue this discusion and get even more from it. Good day to you all.


I understand how you could think that i am immiture but i can assure you i am not. I'm 21 and sure sometimes i can have my moments. I may have disagreed with some of the things said here, however i didn't disagree with everything said. Even if i did, my last post will explain. I am hurt by you words. I am not immiture, i am an adult and i have a right to post my opinions. I'm not rebelious or confussed. I've made my mends. I disagree with you, and i will leave it at that.

poppa0777

It is wonderful that we can disagree without the fear of torture or a firing squad as in some countries.
You and I will then agree to disagree. God bless you. I hope and pray you are able to work through whatever issues you have. I have a few myself. This has been very interesting. I will continue to pray for you, Raynefreak.

Megg

Thankyou, i hoped i showd you that i am indeed of sound mind and not immiutre and cruel. I think you needed to know the whole story to understand me. I hope you can accept my apology. I think the bigger man is the one who admits faults and wrongs. As i've done. Thanks :-)

poppa0777

Not a problem! God bless you!!!

nanajo1

RAyne i can understand what you have been trying to explain to everyone about wiccan/pagan beliefs. Lets face it, i too am Wiccan. On the first or second page someone claimed to be terriefied of witches yet most of these people do not even realize that they walk past us each and every day, they talk to us, invite us into their homes and bbq's. They have no knowledge of what or who we reaaly are lets face it.

Rayne you will only find peace when you embrace who you are as a human before you worry about religion getting muddled all up into it. trying to force someone to see that we believe in a god or goddess is not easy to say the least. We are what we are. I too was raised in the midst of both worlds. My mom turned anglican for along time although she ad been raised celt. I was raised with both so i can see how hard it is for those who do not understand to reallize that we will not eat theri children, turn them into anything, or sacrifice. we do not let blood in Fact our number 1 COMMANDMENT is to harm none lest ye be harmed. we do not follow the line of satanic service, infact we turn our back on the devil because it is only when you give attention to evil that it can survive.

When people come to seek out their god or goddess and realize that their is no one way to honor our belief or no one way to show how much we do love our god, goddess etc. Those who belive that much in God should step back and maybe realize that you do not have to constantly walk around trying to convince everyone to beleive as they do. by doing this they are only trying to convience themselves. when they come to peace with themselves, they are able to accept others.

ordinaryguy

Yes, yes, "no one way". This insistence on "only one way" is the source of so much conflict, both within and between people. Totally unnecessary, it seems to me.

jackashley5

WICCA isnt nothing to do with satan or the devil or anything santic people dont understand about it they just say that cos the tails about witches and people who were in to the occult im in to the occult myself buti m pagan Wicca and paganism is all about kindess and working with good energys and the natural emlemts on earth we worship nature and do nice things and worship god and godess.

If someone was satanic they would be would a chrisen witch because they would do voodoo stuff like that because they would have to belive in god and the devil so they could act agenst god u no wot im trying to say. they use BLACK MAGIC/ but we dont we use WHITE GREEN NATURAL

N0help4u

Basically my take on it, besides what Fr Chuck has said, is people have the impression that Wiccan's believe the devil has more power than God and to be a Wiccan you have to believe the white magic. Magic and God do not go hand in hand. God tells us to steer clear of magic.
Also people have the impression that Wiccan's only believe in God as a force secondary to the Wiccan's beliefs when you are to put God as first in the Christian belief. The Bible says even the demons believe and shutter.
It is good to have a spiritual journey but be open to Christianity and other beliefs and come to your beliefs. I am a Christian but I like reading the ying yang teaching, the
Jewish Kabalah (not Madonna's version) and some other things that Christians shun.
I believe you can learn from everything the thing is having a good discernment.

savedsinner7

I used to be involved in wicca and drugs. I had turned my back on God, who I thought caused all kinds of hell in my life. I am ever thankful that He never turned his back on me. He brought me to a point of realizing His love for me and my need for Him. Jesus said"John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."

John 10:27
My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.

and in Matthew 19 He tells how to get eternal life: 23 Then Jesus said to His disciples, “Assuredly, I say to you that it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”
25 When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?”
26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
27 Then Peter answered and said to Him, “See, we have left all and followed You. Therefore what shall we have?”
28 So Jesus said to them, “Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29 And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife[k] or children or lands, for My name’s sake, shall receive a hundredfold, and inherit eternal life. 30 But many who are first will be last, and the last first.

When you say Christians are judging and not openminded, it is really Jesus who you are calling judgmental. It is His words we live by, not our own opinions.

ordinaryguy

I think you're onto something fundamentally important here. Without discernment, we are unqualified to read ANY sacred text or book of wisdom, or interpret ANY dream or vision, or weigh the words of ANY preacher, prophet, or visionary. With it, no source need be shunned.

Do you share your interest in non-Christian spiritual teachings with any of your Christian friends? Since you say that "Christians shun" these subjects, I'm guessing that some of them would say that your interest in and reading of such things shows a lack of discernment. Is that stereotype warranted, in your experience?