i brought cake to my sons class and a girl had to be pulled out because her parents gave specific instructions that their religion does not allow the celebration of birthdays. actually her family does not celebrate any holdays. i was just curious to know which religion this is so that i could learn more about it.

Morganite

You have merely repeated what I wrote about TaNaK! You say Tenak, and I say Tanak. The vowelisation varies according to location, etc., and both are acceptable.

Who said Moses was a Jew?

The Bible is an Israelite work, not a Jewish work, and Jews were only one part of the b'nei-yisrael. After the diplacement of the Kingdom of Israel by the Assyrians, then it becomes the story of the people of Judah, inlcuding Benjaminites, and some Levites as you have correctly pointed out.

All this was after Moses who refuted a change from been the Children of Abraham's son Jacob AKA Israel.

I am sorry, but I do not get the sense of this. What are you saying?

Abraham's son was Isaac. Jacob was the son of Isaac, and, therefore, the grandson of Abraham.

Where and how did Moses 'refute' the change of name from ben-yacub to bnei'-yisrael?

Why would you insist that the Hebrew Scriptures must be "Jewish history."? The OT itself does not require it to be.

By the way the hebrew alphabet been semitic has many Acronyms as the other origionally semitic languages starting with Aramaic, Arabic and again finaly Hebrew which finaly was spoken only since 1945., this was due to jewish history of there miss trust after the fall of the jewish nation which today has come back mostly as russian converts and anti semitic peoples who claim to be jews in the U.S.

What acronyms are there for the Hebrew Alephtzet?

The Jewish nation which today has come back mostly as russian converts and anti semitic peoples who claim to be jews in the U.S.


What evidence is there that most Israelis are coverts to Judaism from Russis, and that anti-Semies in the USA claim to be Jews? This is fascinating.

Hebrew has been spoken almost continuously for millennia. To say that it was only spoken post 1945 and has lain dormant as a Dead Lanuage since - whenever - is untrue. Bible scholars, Hebraists, and Rabbis have used it and do use it. The earliest Hebrew script was derived from a Phoenician script. The modern Hebrew script was developed from a script known as Proto-Hebrew/Early Aramaic.

Modern Hebrew is now the official language of the State of Israel. It was the language of the early Israelites, inlcuding Jews, but fell out of use as an everyday spoken language and was replaced by Aramaic about 2,500 years ago when the Babylonians overran Jerusalem and surrounding lands, ands took the people captive.

In the Babylonian Captivity, which lasted approximately seventy years, they learned to speak the language of their conquerors, which was Aramaic, a cousing language of Hebrew, and one of the Semitic language group. However, Hebrew continued to be used as a liturgical language since then and was revived as a spoken language in the early 20th century.

Today about 5 million people in Israel speak Modern Israeli Hebrew. A further 2-3 million people speak the language in Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Canada, France, Germany, Palestinian West Bank and Gaza, Panama, the UK and USA.

As you are dependent on the internet and dictionaries for your information, it seems very likely that that is the reason you seem not to be able to understand some basic matters connected with your subject.

However, I admire your persistence, and am pleased to continue the correspondence with you.


MORGANITE

NeedKarma

Holy crap, you fanatical religious types have a lot of free time to do research and write long-winded retorts. Don't any of you have jobs, families, children, social events, opportunities to travel? There is a whole world of people to meet and things to do, why spent your precious time on this earth arguing about semantics?

Morganite

Religious fanatics?

If your input is limited to insult it betrays your fanaticism without proving the 'fanaticism' of others.

You have no way of knowing who does what and hoe everyone spends their time. Gratuitous insults and demeaning posts are not things that the sensible do.

If religion and the discussion of religion is so distasteful to you and makes you so angrey and irrational, why not find something better to do with your own time, insted of preaching to others?


MORGANITE

NeedKarma

Not angry and irrational, quite the contrary my friend. Just wondering why people spend so much time arguing over one word or passage when they are supposed to be on the same page. Imagine doing that in an office as a daily occurence - I can only imagine the discord that would bring to the workplace.

Peace and love to all.

G4-450

Its life kid, people with soul put the time in things that they know motivated by love, you just think we are arguing and it does seem strange, but its love that moves us.

And maybe the fanatical material types have too much time on there hands to realize how many innocent people have been getting killed over oil and the the toys greedy people are planing to sell hem for the short happiness from looking for love in them instead of seeking peace.

exampe: I take it your Jewish?
If not, think about why Ultra Orthodox Jews would try to reverse there self fanaticism of national identity over all other people on this planet by calling gentiles vermin in the Talmuds.

So aside from my point about some religious views which i do not want to seem anti Judaic about ( i am not into mistakes the US and Israel are making today).... i am here sharing what i know for a reason.

But like i agree with MORGANITE on your trolling here, we are on a mutual understanding that these subjects are the reasons we have such crisis in the world today, and for MORGANITE his patience has been a virtue here and i like sharing information that may help unveil some of the phenomenon going on today in current evens, this is because i believe the earth quakes and hurricanes are happening from bad karma here by people.

If you want to add anything cunstructive please do, if you have noticed anything going on around the world as i mentioned ofcourse..(hint=many people dying for 1)

NeedKarma

Almost as many that have been killed over religion, isn't that why the towers were attacked in the first place?

Why on earth would you think that? Who cares what religion I am or aren't.

Caused by differences in religious views no less

Nope. These are natural phenomena caused by tectonics and hot/cold winds. Well rounded, well educated people understand these things.

Morganite

Not everyone works in offices. Some work in institutes of higher education and Theological Seminaries where the fine distinctions and probing into the minutiae of religion are the stuff of daily life.

Fascinating too.

Of course you were angry and irrational. You attacked those you considered 'religious fanatics' rudely, even though many scholars studying these subjects are not attached to any religion, and often have no religious faith.

But, supposing that in the office you work in, a dispute arose about the meaning of a memo. Would you consider yourself a fanatic (which means someone who is in the 'fanum,' or temple), if you helped by bringing your mind to bear on the problem and offered your solution? Wouldn't that be what you were paid to do? Is problem solving fanaticism?

Is discussion always fanaticism in your book?

If you dislike fanatics, why do you spend so much time among them? Why not spend your time among people who do not irritate you with the discussions of things that are unknown and uninteresting to you?

Throwing in gratuitous and fatuous remarks is supposed to do what? Is that how you want to spend your life?

You complain about what others are doing as if you were somebody. You cannot do that and then say "Peace and love," without being thought of as strange. One does not attack and then bless. That is irrational.

Why don't you go your way and let me go my way? Can you live with that?




MORGANITE

G4-450

Your right in a way, the Ultra Orthodox Jews in Israel who say a a finger nail of a jew is worth the life of a 100,000 gentiles (non jews) and occupied Palestine in a deal with the U.S. to AID the U.S. in getting basses in the mid east after the second war did have a religious purpose behind 9/11 and why it took place.

But can you blame Bush for allowing it?, he did want a war and he got it some how, from Afghanistan to Iraq and now Iran.

In reference to me stating that "i take it your jewish", read the Talmud, you either serve them or God.

IF you serve them and the beast, your under the so called spell of the hundred names which they cast over nations who serve the Ultra Orthodoxs like demons and rush to prove there services (like the best tech, best football player, best waiter and so one) The Gross material beast today was told off in all books as in the Bible's "Revelations" to the "Koran", blinding nations into there falls, and the Ultra orthodox jews believe they can curse anyone who they can hinder from God, and its pretty accurate these days to state that it corresponds to the end of times.

but

IF you serve God then you have to have faith, and God's light is the faith which delivers man from utter darkness.


You mean you have a indifference (no faith) to God's word period?

The definition of a hypocrite aka liar/pretender in all books starting from the Torah all the way to Koran is identical and existed for thousands of years, these are descriptions for the people that did not believe in God, And i agree with Jesus that these are NOT the descriptions of gentiles which some ultra jews pretend to lean on, God is the lord of all people and the hypocrites are Satan's tribe and Gods' enemies who do mischief on earth.

Fighting was prescribed from the beginning, aka Jihad in arabic., both fighting inner and outer evils., but fighting for the wealth of this world and killing innocent people as we have seen the U.S. Government favoring for the last century as well as other greedy nations who have backed them as before been allies is evidently not Gods way.

So the definition of non believing peoples has not changed much in 4,000 years has it?

well educated people also know that using nuclear devises of mass destruction like the U.S. has in iraq poisons the earth and causes natural disasters for billions of years to come.

And by the way need KARMA, your name should have allot of hints to cause and effects, and the definition of phenomenon is:
1-An occurrence, circumstance, or fact that is perceptible by the senses.
2-An unusual, significant, or unaccountable fact or occurrence; a marvel.


Again a jewish joke where in israel they say there is something wrong with this man's eyes, and the man says i am fine, so they pluck his eyes out and say no your not., its the same when they said Sadam had weapons or Palestine is on our land, because they put the weapons to use in iraq using the U.S. and also occupied palestine, get it? This is Talmudic Judaism, lies., we listen and we disobey according to there book its holier then God., so i agree that this religion is a threat to world peace.

So i expect more natural disasters hitting the U.S. like the fall of California's plates, Earth quakes, and more hurricanes incase you did not hear how many hit the world at once recently, even Spain and other parts of europe had lost higher number of lives then ever seen before this summer due to some hurricanes.

But yes again, your description of phenomenon is not far apart but is just blended with a false motif to decorate a argument against believers which proves why you need some light on things,

So unless your trying to say you have facts of how to cause the effects of natural disasters present them to us all if you can and how to avoid them then.

Hope12

To Nguagua,
Jehovah's Witnesses do not celebrate birthdays because as one of Jehovah's Witnesses, please allow me to explain.

: Enjoying a feast or a party and generous giving to loved ones are certainly not wrong. (Luke 15:22-25; Acts 20:35) Jehovah’s Witnesses enjoy giving gifts and having good times together throughout the year. However, the only two birthday celebrations mentioned in the Bible involved people who were not true believers. They were a Pharaoh of Egypt and the Roman ruler Herod Antipas, each of whose birthday celebrations had deadly results. (Genesis 40:18-22; Mark 6:21-28) So it is not surprising to see these historical references to the attitude of early Christians toward birthday celebrations:

“The notion of a birthday festival was far from the ideas of the Christians of this period in general.”—The History of the Christian Religion and Church, During the Three First Centuries (New York, 1848), by Augustus Neander (translated by Henry John Rose), page 190.

“Of all the holy people in the Scriptures, no one is recorded to have kept a feast or held a great banquet on his birthday. It is only sinners (like Pharaoh and Herod) who make great rejoicings over the day on which they were born into this world below.”—The Catholic Encyclopedia (New York, 1911), Volume X, page 709 (quoting Origen Adamantius of the third century).

Additionally, birthday celebrations tend to give excessive importance to an individual, no doubt one reason why early Christians shunned them. (Ecclesiastes 7:1) So you will find that Jehovah’s Witnesses do not share in birthday festivities (the parties, singing, gift giving, and so forth).

Thank you for asking,
Respectfully,
Hope12

phildebenham

The child who had to leave the class room is a Jehovah's Witness.

--Phil Debenham