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Asked Mar 2, 2011, 01:29 PM — 124 Answers
I happened upon another question about a haunting wherein many of the answers emphasized the necessity of using Jesus, Allah, or God's name to defeat evil spirits-since humans don't have the power to fight off spirits. Someone said that wherever Jesus is, demons are not.

I am fascinated with this topic-whether it's real or folklore-and the answers that I cited above really have me wondering about things such as stigmata and possession (stuff I've seen in movies). Does that stuff actually happen and if so why does it sometimes happen to religious people (if divine authority drives away demons, how are they able to possess the religious)?

I know some people don't believe in hauntings and spirits, but my question applies to both reality and folklore-so any thoughts would be great. Thanks! (if this belongs in more of a discussion forum-I apologize)

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Mar 18, 2011, 08:34 AM
HH-I can see what you're saying...and I could even accept it. The issue is so many religious people do make God selfish and human. It's when "God" throws a fit over simple human short-comings that the image of an all-knowing, all-loving creator/source and center breaks down...for me.

I could attribute love, empathy, altruism, and the like to a God. Those are rarely seen in animals the way they are in humans. The God version of all of those things is probably something that we cannot comprehend, yet. If it is-I would be disappointed
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Mar 18, 2011, 11:54 AM
Well, let's look at it like this. Remember, by default humanity is born selfish and in sin. God had a plan, Jesus Christ...THE way THE truth and THE life, to redeem mankind back to himself, since sin of any kind cannot stand before this holy and perfect God. So, let's take the most "innocent" sin we can think of. Let's say someone wants to and DOES live a good life, yet does not want anything to do with Christianity. Remember, good in human terms is only relative to other humans...it still does not compare with God. No matter how peaceful and nice this person who lives this "good life" is...by not adhering to the life God called us to live so that we may have fellowship with Him (accepting Christ as our savior by dying in our place)...at the very core of this you have the rejection of God in your life. This person is saying I don't need Jesus Christ, I can make my own way to God. You see, there is really no sin that is just a "little" sin. It all has big issues at the core of it.

One can only be good according to HUMAN terms...we CANNOT be good enough to reach God on our own merit. That is the very reason Jesus Christ came. Because God loves man so much he made such a simple way to redeem them BACK to himself. John 3:16 - "For God SO LOVED the world that He gave His only Son, that who ever believes in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life."
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Mar 18, 2011, 02:11 PM
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Well, let's look at it like this. Remember, by default humanity is born selfish and in sin. God had a plan, Jesus Christ...THE way THE truth and THE life, to redeem mankind back to himself, since sin of any kind cannot stand before this holy and perfect God. So, let's take the most "innocent" sin we can think of. Let's say someone wants to and DOES live a good life, yet does not want anything to do with Christianity. Remember, good in human terms is only relative to other humans...it still does not compare with God. No matter how peaceful and nice this person who lives this "good life" is...by not adhering to the life God called us to live so that we may have fellowship with Him (accepting Christ as our savior by dying in our place)...at the very core of this you have the rejection of God in your life. This person is saying I don't need Jesus Christ, I can make my own way to God. You see, there is really no sin that is just a "little" sin. It all has big issues at the core of it.

One can only be good according to HUMAN terms...we CANNOT be good enough to reach God on our own merit. That is the very reason Jesus Christ came. Because God loves man so much he made such a simple way to redeem them BACK to himself. John 3:16 - "For God SO LOVED the world that He gave His only Son, that who ever believes in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life."

Hi hauntinghelper,

Three questions.

What if someone has never encountered Christianity?

Some practices are relative but does this mean that all practices are relative?

Is a person amoral if they don't know or care about the rules?


A person is ethical if he/she is aware of certain rules they must or should follow. Does this mean that anyone who disagrees or doesn't follow these rules is unethical?

Regards

Tut
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Mar 18, 2011, 03:28 PM
Romans 2:12-16

12 When the Gentiles sin, they will be destroyed, even though they never had God's written law. And the Jews, who do have God's law, will be judged by that law when they fail to obey it. 13 For merely listening to the law doesn't make us right with God. It is obeying the law that makes us right in his sight. 14 Even Gentiles, who do not have God's written law, show that they know his law when they instinctively obey it, even without having heard it. 15 They demonstrate that God's law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right. 16 And this is the message I proclaim'that the day is coming when God, through Christ Jesus, will judge everyone's secret life.


God is a just judge. As you see people will be judged differently...according to how they lived according to His laws that ARE written on EVERY man's heart. It is a different situation altogether for someone living in a primitive part of the world who has never had the chance to hear the gospel vs. Someone who does receive God's law and rejects it to serve his own ways. Not everybody will be judged the same.

Don't worry about other people...God can get through to anyone...don't use other people as an excuse not to come to terms with Him in your own life.

And to answer your last question...not knowing and not caring about the established moral law are two different things. As that above scripture states...everybody DOES have His law written on their hearts...so there really is no such thing as not knowing right from wrong. I hope you can understand how not caring is a big deal too.
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Mar 19, 2011, 12:35 AM
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...everybody DOES have His law written on their hearts...so there really is no such thing as not knowing right from wrong..
What you miss is that my god, the Flying Spagetti Monster, has his law written into your heart, that's why you try to be good.
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Mar 19, 2011, 03:04 AM
Please give us a break karma you don't even believe your own ethic. My God knows all sees all and at the appropriate moment rewards all, be in awe of this
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Mar 19, 2011, 03:18 AM
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please give us a break karma you don't even believe your own ethic. My God knows all sees all and at the appropriate moment rewards all, be in awe of this
There are several gods that people believe in, don't expect all to share yours. I am in awe of none of it.
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Mar 19, 2011, 03:30 AM
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There are several gods that people believe in, don't expect all to share yours. I am in awe of none of it.
That's your problem no belief no reward
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Mar 19, 2011, 04:11 AM
I'm already getting my reward - good family, good health, good friends - do you not have this as well?

I don't believe or care about eternal life if that's your planned rejoinder.
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Mar 19, 2011, 05:10 AM
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I'm already getting my reward - good family, good health, good friends - do you not have this as well?
I don't believe or care about eternal life if that's your planned rejoinder.
Of course I have those things how do you think I can waste my time here but looking forward there is more
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