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Okay I am a Wiccan and I am proud, when someone asks me a question about Wicca, I calmly explain an answer (unless they are one of those people who ask me and then tell me, no matter what the answer i give, that I'm going to hell, which is pointless cause Wiccan's don't believe in hell, well most of us don't anyways). But one day I was having a decent and calm talk of religion with one of my best friends and I asked a question that bugged me all the time when I was Morman, that applies to all religion with a bible. How do you know... that what is in that bible is really true? I mean the Christian bible has been rewritten and translated so many times that how do you know what it says is true and that someone who messed with it did not change something cause they didn't like what God said? Same with the Morman bible, the man who wrote it was the "only" on to see what God said and wrote it in a book. So basically, how do you know what you're reading is what it was supposed to be and was truely left unchanged from gods word?
Well my friend got all definsive and told me that it just didn't happen. I said but how do you know? These books were rewritten and translated by "the sinful hands of man" and did God not have a follower who betrayed him? How do you know for sure what your reading is true. Again she just got all mad and yelled at me and said that it JUST DIDN'T HAPPEN! Another girl in my class heard the convo and got all mad at me too. I didn't diss the religion and I didn't say anything mean, I just asked a simple question that had bugged me even before I became Wicca.
Why can't someone just say. "I don't know... I just need to believe it's true" or something like that or just say plainly "I don't know" or "I never thought about it", that's what I say when I don't have an answer. So why the do people always insist on yelling?
This is an online forum where people ask questions and people answer. BiwiccanAndProud asked why people get offended when questions of religion come up. I shared my thoughts on the question and responded to direct and indirect questions concerning my faith in Jesus Christ. When I say, "Truth", or "fact" I am speaking as a Christian that believes the word of God is perfect and is Truth. I accept that everyone does not feel the same way. I have not ever said "you are going to hell" or anything else "intolerant". If you are offended by my comments, then ask yourself "what did this guy say that is offensive?" Realize I am only sharing my faith and beliefs that I believe are true. If you do not believe them to be true, then you are free to believe anything. I have a belief structure that is based on what Christians believe is TRUTH. If it is not true for you, then you believe something else. Which is your right.
I never said you offended me I said that it offends some people when their beliefs are put into the format of a fact. I never said either that you told me to go to hell, but if you would go to this thread I started
you will find that two people so far have told me I'm going to hell for my beliefs (again odd since I do not believe in it's existence). Fr_Chuck and oakshoney both said I would go to hell for being Wicca and for being bi.
The problem with "what everyone believes is truth" is that this is not a true statement. If I believe 1+1=4, it doesn't make it true. There is an idea called absolute truth. If you believe and idea or concept, then anything other than that is incorrect, or untrue. This is not a bad thing though. We, as a society have to have absolute truths. Murdering someone in cold blood is WRONG. If someone believes it is ok to kill someone in cold blood, does not make it truth. All I am saying is that I believe in truth. I am NOT saying you are bad for not believing. I am NOT saying anyone is going to HELL. I am simply defending that TO ME, there is absolute truth in the WORD OF GOD. If you are of the opinion that everyone can believe what they want and still be right... Then you do not have that absolute belief.
christianity is truth....to us
atheism is truth.......to karma (or is it the great spaghetti monster? )
wicca is truth...........to you
ya know what i mean?
religious tolerance is important.
you cant say flat statements of "this is the truth", because, thats saying "i know more about what really is the truth than you do" which is a very arrogant thing to say to another person.
theres what you believe, and yes, there is the truth, but we have no way of really knowing the truth, till we die or whatever, and guess what? thats what faith is for.
biwiccan, im curious, (forgive me my ignorance) what is wicca? i never really heard of it.
Truth is very black and white my friend. No gray areas. One can not just make up thier own ideas and call it truth just because they choose to believe it. There is a God out there who created us and care about you and everyone and if you humble yourself and open up your heart to Him, He will show himself to you and he will reveal the absolute pure truth to you. But you have to be willing to recieve Him and let him reveal himself to you.
Okay you are hearing me all wrong tchailen I am saying that everyone can believe what they want but NOTHING is fact on beliefs. I simply was pointing out that when you mention "the truth of god" you speak of it like it's a fact I was trying to ask you for the curtosy to put "I believe in" when you talk about your religion when you don't put that it makes you sound arrogant like your religion is the only true one and no one has a say. I was merely correcting your grammar cause you seem like a nice person and I didn't want people to get the wrong impression of you cause again... from other threads I've seen you on you seem like a nice person. Notice when Cal asked about Wicca I stated everything in the format that it is mine and other wiccans beliefs not the absolute word.
Beetlejuice again you state it like a fact "There is a god out there who created us..." that... is... not... fact. That is your belief, that is what you believe, so please state it as such not like it's a fact. Unlike with tchailen I can't tell if you are meaning it to sound that way or if it is unintentional.
You are correct, most of the people on this planet agree that what YOU believe is NOT the truth.
Cheers,
NK.
There are more Christian Believers in the world than there is any other religion or beliefe of origin. And Christianity is the fastest growing religion in the world. So if you want to use that argument you are only hurting your point.
well actually... christianity is not as fast growing as you think there are still alot of people out there who think what you speak is not the truth as there are alot of religions. I for one don't think your wrong I think what you believe is another possibility of the truth. Wicca is also a fast growing religion, and you have a whole bunch of countries to comb through before you say that there are more christian believers then here is not.
well actually... christianity is not as fast growing as you think there are still alot of people out there who think what you speak is not the truth as there are alot of religions. I for one don't think your wrong I think what you believe is another possibility of the truth. Wicca is also a fast growing religion, and you have a whole bunch of countries to comb through before you say that there are more christian believers then here is not.
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