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Old Jan 1, 2007, 03:35 PM
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Jehovah or Allah

In this time of "politically correct" it seems that there is a general good feel attitude about religion. "You're OK, I'm OK" pretty well expresses it. Folks say it doesn't matter how you serve God, because we are all His children. I submit for your consideration this: the God of the Bible is not the same as Allah. Discussion anyone?

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Old Feb 13, 2007, 04:04 PM   #211  
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Why do you not study the koran or the torah, as they are making the same claim as you do????
I believe that I do study from the torah. Isn't that the "law and prophets" that Jesus said testify of Him? (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers & Deuteronomy). Now, unless I have been grossly misinformed, the Koran claims that Mohammed is God's greatest prophet, and Jesus merely a "prophet". I have not heard if Mohammed walked out of a tomb after being dead three days and nights, so I don't think the claims are exactly the same. Do you?
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No, but what is your point?
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I believe that I do study from the torah. Isn't that the "law and prophets" that Jesus said testify of Him? (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers & Deuteronomy). Now, unless I have been grossly misinformed, the Koran claims that Mohammed is God's greatest prophet, and Jesus merely a "prophet". I have not heard if Mohammed walked out of a tomb after being dead three days and nights, so I don't think the claims are exactly the same. Do you?
Torah is 'instruction' generally referred to as the 'law. The prophets are nebi'im, and other writings are ketubim. The first letter of each of these three make TNK, pronounced tanach or tanak, referring to the whole of the Hebrew Scriptures.

Have you heard what did happen to Mohammed? He was/is not held to be divine.
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Muhammad never claimed divinity at all.
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All of us here have been going back and forth about the differences that can be pointed out about the various religions, thats easy, but can no one see the similarities that they all have, history notwithstanding? After all they all sprang from ancient tribal man. What makes one any better than the other? I mean they all profess a GOD so what more could you ask for? You mean to tell me this is not enough common ground among humans and accept that we all don't know, but have filled in the gaps with our own regional tribal logic. Has any one forgotten the wars and human migrations over the centuries that have spread one word or another? You can change the name and be still be talking about the same thing, and I'm sure their is a written record somewhere you can quote dogma from, but is this enough to put one above the other and accept this as a fact for all? Or should we just concede that whom ever has the biggest stick will tell the rest what the truth is.

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Morganite agrees: You now raise the question of religion origins. If you are right, then Frankfort was rigght, but Frankfort is not as warmly embraced as he once was.
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Who was Frankfort, and why is he not as warmly received? Sorry for all the questions, and I could google the dude but your personal view is what I would be interested in.
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Who was Frankfort, and why is he not as warmly received? Sorry for all the questions, and I could google the dude but your personal view is what I would be interested in.
Henri Frankfort was an anthropoligist who premised a scheme of the development of religion for primitive folkways through successive discrete and geographically varied acculturations, eventually evolving into moral monotheism. He is no longer warmly received because his simplistic theories are no longer accepted by the majority of anthropologists or sociologists.

Henri Frankfort

However, his work is recognised as setting down the foundation for further inquiry into his subject, much as Freud, who is also less warmly received these days, nevertheless laid down a foundation for psychoanalysis and inquiry into the aberrant human psyche.

Theories come and go. It is the way of science.

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talaniman agrees: Thanks for quick response, and look forward to reading up on him.
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Muhammad never claimed divinity at all.
This is important bc Jesus lived, died, & was resurrected in front of many witnesses. If the apostle John's story in Revelation is comparable to Mohammed's Koran, then I look at how credible John was in writing other books in the Bible. I can't say the same for Mohammed.
The story says that he went into a cave & the angel Gabriel came to give him all these revelations; to write them down, & this led to the Koran.
Christianity is the faith that offers the best promises. (And it automatically takes 10 yrs off your looks!) That is what happens when the old man dies, & you become a new creature in Christ.

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galveston agrees: Good answer. Too bad some folks are ever learning but never quite come to the knowledge of the Truth.
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Yes,

But the Gospels were written between 20 (in the case of Mark) and 80-100 years after (in John's case) Jesus' death. The earliest records in the NT are in fact Paul's letter's and his picture of Jesus is quite different than that given in the Gospels.
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Yes,

But the Gospels were written between 20 (in the case of Mark) and 80-100 years after (in John's case) Jesus' death. The earliest records in the NT are in fact Paul's letter's and his picture of Jesus is quite different than that given in the Gospels.
This is all fine. And Paul preached the Good News about Jesus and the resurrection. Acts 17:18. I do not see any discrepancies between the epistles of Paul and the gospels of Matt., Mk, Luke, or John. Just more interesting reading to add to the gospels.
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