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In this time of "politically correct" it seems that there is a general good feel attitude about religion. "You're OK, I'm OK" pretty well expresses it. Folks say it doesn't matter how you serve God, because we are all His children. I submit for your consideration this: the God of the Bible is not the same as Allah. Discussion anyone?
Just a question to help further the discussion:
If Allah and the Christian God are the same, why would they tell two prophets (Muhammad and Jesus) to worship him in separate ways?
Does merely a name change who he is, What if in my personal relationship I feel lead to call God "NORM" is that wrong, God of the Old Testment had many names, depending on the relationship of God to man at that time, or expressing a relatonship.
We have to look past ( esp the English) words, since this language while beleiving it has some special control on Christianity is not, The God of the Spanish translated bible, or the Russian bible or the Greek bible or the Arabic bible are all the same God.
Does merely a name change who he is, What if in my personal relationship I feel lead to call God "NORM" is that wrong, God of the Old Testment had many names, depending on the relationship of God to man at that time, or expressing a relatonship.
We have to look past ( esp the English) words, since this language while beleiving it has some special control on Christianity is not, The God of the Spanish translated bible, or the Russian bible or the Greek bible or the Arabic bible are all the same God.
Differences of name pronunciation are irrelevant to identity. It's what the believers claim their deity requires of us that matters.
When the true aim of Islam is to convert all Christians to Islam or kill them, then you can bet some Christian folks are going to get riled. If you think this is a simple, peacfull discussion between two peacful religions then you are delusional. All I can tell you is that we need to kill them before they try to kill us and I will be the first in the trench to do just that. If Islam is such a wonderful, peaceful religion, then why don't all of the peacful ones do something to stop this mess? they do not want to simply because they all believe Christians should convert to Islam , what they call the one true religion, or die. Tell me, when did you ever hear of Christians giving them the same ultimatum? You haven't. The Christian GOD and the Islam god are not the same in the hearts of the two different believers. Now you can sit here and argue that point untill hell freezes over and you will just continue to show how uninformed you truely are.
Sorry Mag, but I don't think any American Indians will go along with that considering they were heathens to be converted. The rhetoric you hear from parts of Islam are really no different than what some Christians have done in the name of God. From the Inquisition to the settling of America conversion was thru killing and torture.
When the true aim of Islam is to convert all Christians to Islam or kill them, then you can bet some Christian folks are going to get riled. If you think this is a simple, peacfull discussion between two peacful religions then you are delusional. All I can tell you is that we need to kill them before they try to kill us and I will be the first in the trench to do just that.... The Christian GOD and the Islam god are not the same in the hearts of the two different believers.
If both believe that they should kill each other in the name of religion, where's the difference? Sounds exactly the same to me. Of course, the likes of magprob and the jihadis are (praise be to God/Allah) a tiny minority in both religions.
When the true aim of Islam is to convert all Christians to Islam or kill them, then you can bet some Christian folks are going to get riled. If you think this is a simple, peacfull discussion between two peacful religions then you are delusional. All I can tell you is that we need to kill them before they try to kill us and I will be the first in the trench to do just that. If Islam is such a wonderful, peaceful religion, then why don't all of the peacful ones do something to stop this mess? they do not want to simply because they all believe Christians should convert to Islam , what they call the one true religion, or die. Tell me, when did you ever hear of Christians giving them the same ultimatum? You haven't. The Christian GOD and the Islam god are not the same in the hearts of the two different believers. Now you can sit here and argue that point untill hell freezes over and you will just continue to show how uninformed you truely are.
Perhaps you might consider gently that you are wrong. I have studied Islam for over 25+ and disagree with you completely.
Perhaps you might consider gently that you are wrong. I have studied Islam for over 25+ and disagree with you completely.
So you will agree that the people who did the terrorist acts on 911 were wrong and it was terrorism or political attack, not a good thing, I just have had trouble myself finding a Muslim that would speak out against the 911 attacks and also the current killing from BOTH sides of the killings in Iraq.
I have talked to many and they see to fall short calling what thier fellow Muslims did was wrong and agaisnt thier faith
So I am assuming you are telling us all of the killing on 911 and all of the different sects killing each other now in Iraq is against thier religious teachings ?
So you will agree that the people who did the terrorist acts on 911 were wrong and it was terrorism or political attack, not a good thing, I just have had trouble myself finding a Muslim that would speak out against the 911 attacks and also the current killing from BOTH sides of the killings in Iraq.
I have talked to many and they see to fall short calling what thier fellow Muslims did was wrong and agaisnt thier faith
So I am assuming you are telling us all of the killing on 911 and all of the different sects killing each other now in Iraq is against thier religious teachings ?
Please give me a break with the broad brush opinion, by your way of thinking all priests are pedophiles and perverts. I submit many are here in the US just to get away from what you speak of and because YOU don;t know any why assume they don't exist.
No, honestly I have asked this question 100's of time, and I have never, not once had a Muslim tell them that these attacks and killing were wrong.
Sorry, you will find priests that tell you the truth about the small number and that the news shows the history going back 20 years. And that more school teachers molest than preists every year.
But I hear people say they have studed this or that, or that they are Muslim and they are peaceful but when I ask them to denouce what happened and tell me that these people were wrong, I have never had a Muslim tell me that.
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