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In this time of "politically correct" it seems that there is a general good feel attitude about religion. "You're OK, I'm OK" pretty well expresses it. Folks say it doesn't matter how you serve God, because we are all His children. I submit for your consideration this: the God of the Bible is not the same as Allah. Discussion anyone?
In this time of "politically correct" it seems that there is a general good feel attitude about religion. "You're OK, I'm OK" pretty well expresses it. Folks say it doesn't matter how you serve God, because we are all His children. I submit for your consideration this: the God of the Bible is not the same as Allah. Discussion anyone?
And what a surprise it is that the topic did turnout to go for political correctness!
A RELIGIOUS debate turned pure SECULAR.
Wow, maybe there will be more Muslims debating the question, since there wasn't much feedback so far from them.
Fr_Chuck agrees: Both sides Christianity and Islam both don't accept the teachings of the other, there is no place for mutual grounds since each believes the other is false.
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't this the view of all different religions (not just Christianity and Islam)? That all others are false?
Yes most, not up on some of the middle eastern or some that are more accepting of everyone and everything
But since this post was directly reffering to Allah and God as in the Christian God the refference was made as to the information in the thread, not wanting to include other religions not mentioned in the link or other religions I have no firm info on.
Not a lot of those who follow Allah weighed in, so this was so lopsided that the similarities could not be put forth, but a lot of negativity by the Christian crew sure buried the other side.
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Originally Posted by 31pumpkin
Wow, maybe there will be more Muslims debating the question, since there wasn't much feedback so far from them.
Can you blame them? You'd have to be "a suicider" to willingly throw yourself into a den of ferocious Christian lions. If I was a devout and moderate Muslim, I'd lay low too, like a Packers fan in Chicago.
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Originally Posted by talaniman
Doctrines notwhitstanding, I think its all about semantics.
To those of us who aren't entrenched on either side, it's about semantics, but to the true believers on both sides, it's about TRUTH and LIES, GOOD and EVIL. To call it semantics is to show that you're really on the side of EVIL in the EPIC STUGGLE OF THE AGES, not to mention being "politically correct" <shudder>.
In this time of "politically correct" it seems that there is a general good feel attitude about religion. "You're OK, I'm OK" pretty well expresses it. Folks say it doesn't matter how you serve God, because we are all His children. I submit for your consideration this: the God of the Bible is not the same as Allah. Discussion anyone?
To each his own. And why not? I will hazard a guess that your 'God of the Bible' is not the same 'God of the Bible' that other Bible believers find in the Bible and worship.
Although Muslims have borrowed a lot of text from the Hebrew and Greek Bibles they are generally more at odds with the character and attributes of the Christian God than they are with the Jewish God. There is a dichotomy between Jewish and Christian theology that is not reducible to a common understanding. Many Christians find it difficult to reconcile much of the behaviour and pronouncements of the OT God with the Christ-in-God - or God-in-Christ - of the NT.
Nevertheless, as you are probably aware, this is a subject that has generated a lot of heat and a little light, and is far from settled.
For example: The Muslim God has no Son. The Christian Allah has a Son. I'd say that therein lies a significant difference that cannot be resolved unless and until either the Muslims admit they are wrong, or else the Christians admit that they are wrong. I predict the continual theological version of a Mexican stand-off.
I, as a Catholic Christian, have no problem using an Arabic name for God, that is, Allah.
But...I do NOT agree with Islam's description/explanation of what God has revealed to man.
The question is certainly valid. Perhaps it calls for a greater depth of the attributes and characteristics of each - Jewish God Christiand God and Muslim God - but that is the challenge of a Q&A forum such as this. Thus, it encourages us to stretch ourselves and learn more, even when the invitation calls us to wander into terra incognito.
The question probes much deeper than merely accepting or rejecting the language used to name God eg: God or Allah or Yahveh or El, etc,.it goes right to the heart of who and what God is according to each faith.
Muslims are strictly monotheistic, whereas most Christians are less so, which is a cause of contention between Muslims and Christians. Muslims insist that Allah has no Son. Christians insist that Allah has a Son.
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Originally Posted by ordinaryguy
The name of God a person uses depends on which holy book they accept as divinely inspired scripture. The idea that there is and necessarily must be one and ONLY ONE true scripture, and one and ONLY ONE correct interpretation of that scripture is the source of countless religious wars, feuds, fights and arguments. I hope this isn't the start of another one.
I note what you say, and agree with you. How fortunate that all we can get to blows with in this forum are words.
It seems that the only point to the original post and all the pro-God anti-Allah commentary since, is to cheer for Christianity and the Bible and denigrate Islam and the Quran. This attitude has more in common with sports fans cheering their own team and bad-mouthing their opponents than with constructive dialogue between sincere people of faith. It doesn't contribute to understanding between Christians and Muslims, and it invites the scorn of unbelievers. If those results are satisfying to you, cheer on, I guess.
Telling the differences between two religions constitutes cheering for one and bad-mouthing denigration of one or the other? Please point out where in my post I denigrated Islam. Actually, the essence of what you are saying is don't discuss the subject forcing me to remind you respectfully that this is a discussion forum
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As much as I try to see the point of the original post as having the malicious intent you accuse it of having, I just can't detect it. All I see is a person seeking a discussion. Maybe we aren't reading the same original post.
As for scorning, scoffing, or mocking from unbelievers, that's to be expected:
KJV
Jude 1:18
How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
2TIMOTHY 3:3-4.
Knowing this first: that scoffers (mockers) will come in The Last Days, walking according to their own lust, and saying, "where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell aspleep (God's chosen prophets of old died) all things continued as they were from the beginning of creation."
As Morganite said, the question you asked is a valid one. It's the misundersandings of your question that make it seem invalid. For example, you merely asked whether Christians and Moslems worship the same God. Or whether Allah is Jehovah. But this was misunderstood as a call to Christian arms based on the following perception of your question.
"How is Jehovah better than Allah? Can you please provide examples?"
Considerable argument! Including the words of the Book Muslim hold sacred.
kiwimac misses the point. The question is not what Muslims think of the Bible or vice versa, but are the two dieties the same person by different names. By the way, why is it that some folks can't stand to be disagreed with? Calling someone arrogant or pompous is abusive. Can it be that they have no intelligent argument to offer?
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