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In this time of "politically correct" it seems that there is a general good feel attitude about religion. "You're OK, I'm OK" pretty well expresses it. Folks say it doesn't matter how you serve God, because we are all His children. I submit for your consideration this: the God of the Bible is not the same as Allah. Discussion anyone?
Reading the above, Some of these posts from seeming helpful,good hearted people in other threads, Just reinforces why fundamentalist of all faiths are to be feared.
My god is greater than your god and I will kill you to prove it.
Funny how many folks ignore the fact that christians,muslims and jews all lived together in peace for many years before the west stuck its nose in the M.E.
If Christianity is strictly monotheistic, and Islam in also strictly monotheistic, then why the gulf between them, and why do not Judaism, Christianity, and Islam embrace each other in a common bond of faith? If they are all strictly monotheistic there could be no problem, no barrier. And yet there is an unbridgeable divide between Judaism and Christianity, and between Christianity and Islam.
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You forget the divide between Judiaism and Islam. Completes the circle. That is what makes them different branches of the same tree.
Reading the above, Some of these posts from seeming helpful,good hearted people in other threads, Just reinforces why fundamentalist of all faiths are to be feared.
My god is greater than your god and I will kill you to prove it.
Funny how many folks ignore the fact that christians,muslims and jews all lived together in peace for many years before the west stuck its nose in the M.E.
You are right as no matter the religion its always that small group who to keep power must keep the population stirred up against one enemy or another. Usually wealth is the bottom line and main motivation and as far as living in peace in the middle east? Wealth and personal power has always motivated one war or another as it was only the academics and scholars who broke bread and exchanged ideas and promoted free thinking by coping the great literal works of ancient man. Baghdad had the biggest library in the world and to bad that it was closed, looted, and burned centuries ago.
For those that study the Koran it is very obvous where alot of the writings come from. It combines verious faiths in that area at the time, the major parts of Christianity in the Koran, and there are, comes from the sect in that area that taught that Jesus did not die on the cross and includes all those beleifs about Christ taught by that sect. One of Mohammads wifes was part of that group so it is easy to understand where he learned it from them and other people from the area.
And it is based on used as a system of control of the commom people, rule based on religion is much easer to use for control more than political rule esp that of horrid leader.
Now he is not near the first to use religion as a control and will not be the last, but he is one of the first to develop one that because a major religion.
And it matters not what it is suppose to be, if it is suppose to be that of peace obviously a large group of its followers don't follow it correctly.
It matters nothing as to what it says, but in what and how it is taught and how it is inacted. Since a majority of the fighting today is because of the teachings of the Koran, one has to just understand it does not matter what the writer wanted it to be, does not matter what it was suppose to be, it is what it is.
Muhammed's thesis was that both Judaism and Christianity had become apostate, and Islam was intended to restore the true faith. That is why elements of each are common to Islam and are found withing the pages of al Qur'an..
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Originally Posted by ordinaryguy
The name of God a person uses depends on which holy book they accept as divinely inspired scripture. The idea that there is and necessarily must be one and ONLY ONE true scripture, and one and ONLY ONE correct interpretation of that scripture is the source of countless religious wars, feuds, fights and arguments. I hope this isn't the start of another one.
It mostly depends on the language in one reads the various holy books. What does a Holy Bible in Arabic call God? What does al Qur'an in English call Allah?
Reading the above, Some of these posts from seeming helpful,good hearted people in other threads, Just reinforces why fundamentalist of all faiths are to be feared.
My god is greater than your god and I will kill you to prove it.
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Originally Posted by Morganite
Fundamentalists are not the problem (unless you have a peculiar definition of the term). Fundamentalist Christians beliece in five fundamental tenets of their religion. The trouble is caused by militancy, not fundamentalism.
Maybe "Onlyism" would be a better description--Only one Scripture, Only one interpretation. The key to understanding the mindset is to realize that they BEGIN with the answer--what the Scripture "says"--and therefore no further thought or discussion is necessary, and all other evidence is a threat. The absolute certitude that their choice of a holy book and their interpretation of its meaning are not actually their choices, but are given directly by God make them totally impervious to reason or logic, and absolutely intolerant of any and all alternatives. You gotta admit, it's a heckuva suit of armor.
To 31pumpkin, I have nothing personally against you, but I was only trying to give you the benefit of the fruit of a personal relationship with the God that I understand. The bible is a good history book that lays guidance to the reader, as the Koran does exactly the same thing and these are facts that unless you look open mindedly, all you see is the rhetoric that has blinded us as humans and kept us apart for so long. Who do you think benefits the most when humans cannot settle their differences and work together? My so called attacks on you where not personal, but a counter to what you have said, which is not your belief, but repeating the BS of the uninformed. You are not alone in that nor is the religion you hold so dear. For those reasons and to my amusement, from being on the outside looking in, Christianity and Islam share so much, that its hard to tell which is which. To bad, neither of you can step back and look at the big picture more honestly, so instead of spewing scripture at each other, you would be breaking bread.
It is for this reason and a few others, that I respectfully submit that there is no difference at all between The Islamic Allah, or the Christian/Jewish Jehovah.
Makes sense to me.
I can't give you reputation, so have to comment this way. The Bible is not a 'good' histery book in all cases. Discrete accounts of the same events differs in some important particulars, and the actual day of the Last Supper as recorded in the Synoptic gospels is disputed by John's account. It was not written as a history book, so we must not look for reliable records of what happened. it is written mostly as salvation history in which the what it means is of greater importance than what actually happened.
Someone wrote that the Bible and al Qur'an recorded the same historical events. This is patently not so, as even a cursory reading will reveal.
Man made, very likely, but how do you believe it can be bridged without loss to all parties?
That people stop the BS and accept each other does not have to come as a loss. We have proven as humans we can be different and still revel in our sameness.
I spent about an hour reading the LINK you provided. From what I know so far and what I determined (considering your link) Muslim suicide bombers DO take the Qur'an's verses out of context. It must be poverty and lack of freedoms that make a young Muslim vulnerable to such brainwashing so as to say that they interpret the meaning and circumstances of the word "JIHAD"and become religious fundamentalists.
It isn't any other religion subscribing to the Qur'an, so I am just reading what I see.
So is it that these thousands of militants turn into just people who hate- and not because people who hate Islam - that some chapters or verses in the Qur'an get scutinized about?
Doesn't this hate stem from their confusion and desperation, aided by a leader, AND the Qur'an?
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