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In this time of "politically correct" it seems that there is a general good feel attitude about religion. "You're OK, I'm OK" pretty well expresses it. Folks say it doesn't matter how you serve God, because we are all His children. I submit for your consideration this: the God of the Bible is not the same as Allah. Discussion anyone?
I don't know a lot about the Qur'an and I'm taking some Christian leaders word for it.
What if he knows less than you do? So you would follow as a sheep and repeat the rhetoric of your leader. That is exactly what is occurring in Islam so another point as to the similiarity of these two religions.
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but even one verse promoting violence is too much.
So I guess all the verses Morganite has prooffered don't count?
After the walls of Jericho fell, the Lord commanded Joshua & the Israelites not to covet the plunder. Joshua 7:1-But the Israelites acted unfaithfully in regard to the devoted things. Achan son of Carmi, the son of Zimri, the son of Zerah, of the tribe of Judah, took some of them. So the Lord's anger burned against Israel.
And so the Lord told Joshua to destroy" whatever among you is devoted to destruction."
Agreed? OK. Now do you think in present times someone reading the O.T.(Jew or not) would
stone someone's son to death for grand larceny?
No, because, and even in a RELIGIOUS sense,not to mention the laws of the land today, the Lord doesn't say go"go kill him", it's the devil that does that. You know it. I know it . And Jesus came as the great Intercessor for all. Again, God just doesn't say that anymore. He may say " go fight, I'm with you " but that is a completely different scenario.
Now, do you understand my point? You do not have to agree and that's fine.
What I 'think' has no bearing on the case in point, because it is certain that some modern day murderers and child beaters take their instruction from the pages of the Bible. I have provided you with ample evidence of the fact, but you will not admit that evidence into consideration, and find what I consider to be lame and concocted excuses to bar them from the equation.
To clear the way for a reasoned discussion on an important matter, will you please point out which books or verses of books in the Bible you wish to 'count out' or ignore completely, so that I can either avoid them in offering examples to show where you have erred, or else join you in the denial of things that I know to be factual but am too partisan to admit to: namely, that there are passages in the Bible that direct men do violence and commit murder.
Once I have your list, I will see whether the rump of the Bible is clean enough from promoting us to commit depredations that then render it a morally superior work to al Qu'ran.
The 'accursed thing' was introduced into the camp of Israel by the Israelites themselves and not by the Aiites, and this was done in direct contravention of the command given to them by God. One of the soldiers disobeyed. He took a garment upon which the curse rested. He also took some of the silver and gold and hid them in his tent.
If the Book of Joshua is accurate, it makes it appear that God commanded Joshua's army to slaughter civilian non-combatants, including old men, women, and children as a punishment for somehting that the Israelites had done. Doesn't that cause you at least one moment of disquiet?
When I saw among the spoils a goodly Babylonish garment, and two hundred shekels of silver, and a wedge of gold of fifty shekels weight, then I coveted them, and took them; and, behold, they [are] hid in the earth in the midst of my tent, and the silver under it. So Joshua sent messengers, and they ran unto the tent; and, behold, [it was] hid in his tent, and the silver under it. And they took them out of the midst of the tent, and brought them unto Joshua, and unto all the children of Israel, and laid them out before the LORD. And Joshua, and all Israel with him, took Achan the son of Zerah, and the silver, and the garment, and the wedge of gold, and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his asses, and his sheep, and his tent, and all that he had: and they brought them unto the valley of Achor. And Joshua said, Why hast thou troubled us? the LORD shall trouble thee this day. And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones.
What wrong had Achan's sons, daughters, oxen, asses, sheep, and tent done that they should be stoned and burnt?
MRGANITE
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Believe or accept
“Do you believe in evolution?” is a question often asked of biology teachers by their puzzled students. The answer is, “No, I accept the fact that the Earth is very old and life has changed over billions of years because that is what the evidence tells us.” Science is not about belief—it is about making inferences based on evidence.
As a point of clarification, isn't changing slowly over billions of years the same as evolving?
I don't wish to be too picky here, but science is about finding out. Inferences are not as strong as what can be proven, and scientists might use inferences only as points of departure to lead them to discover what is and what is not true. Perhaps you will agree to omit semantic digs (unless they are essential), rather than use them to score points from the opposition, and address the issue at hand as a priority.
First, it wasn't I that offered up all those Bible quotes if you look. Morganite is countering with verses from the Bible. Except there is no comparison when a Christian looks at entire scripture in relation to the Bible's verses. Instead I am countering the Koran.
The Koran takes the "7th century warrior"-Mohammed & canonizes him as the supreme example of human behavior. So instead of being a 7th century warfare pattern that we ought not follow,( Mohammed) becomes the model for how we should always behave. So this is the defect, and the difficulty. Islam-Terrorism, Inc.
31pumpkinFirst, it wasn't I that offered up all those Bible quotes if you look. Morganite is countering with verses from the Bible. Except there is no comparison when a Christian looks at entire scripture in relation to the Bible's verses. Instead I am countering the Koran. By your own admission you know nothing of the KORAN, except what some Christian leader has told you, and offer the violent scriptures of the Koran as proof that it must be wrong. Yet when you are presented with facts that the bible does the same thing as the Koran, have violent passages, you pass over that as if it was justified (the same dribble comes from Islam) That is bias, unfair, and illogical. I submit to you that the sheep of the bible and the sheep of Islam are doing the same thing.
The Koran takes the "7th century warrior"-Mohammed & canonizes him as the supreme example of human behavior. So instead of being a 7th century warfare pattern that we ought not follow,( Mohammed) becomes the model for how we should always behave. So this is the defect, and the difficulty. Islam-Terrorism, Inc. Without knowing more about the subject instead of telling us what is false, as Mohammad is portrayed as much more than a warrior, get to know the whole truth and not just pick out a part of the story to use to denigrate some one else. That is your defect. Your difficulty is either you don't see it or won't admit it. A closed mind can learn nothing.
By the way the site you refer to is propaganda and false if you need legitamate sites let me know when your mind is open to learn the truth as defined by history.
31pumpkinThe propaganda phrase you accuse is exactly what the stuff that threatens America. Propaganda only misdirects
You don't know the Bible or the Koran, so your commenting has nothing but an emotional response, which is typical of non-believers. I have no need of a book to have a personal relationship with the God of my understanding, but I do respect those that do, to each his own choice. So take me off that non-believer list.
I have to go to work now- Can't sit at the pc all day- it's not my job- So I am sure you will get what your ego desires Taliman, THE LAST WORD! My ego requires only peace and truth.
B/C I am done for today. It was a blast! So you later
Have a good time! May your day bring you happiness. I guess you were right, I did get the last word.....................for now.
31pumpkinThe propaganda phrase you accuse is exactly what the stuff that threatens America. Propaganda only misdirects
You don't know the Bible or the Koran, so your commenting has nothing but an emotional response, which is typical of non-believers. I have no need of a book to have a personal relationship with the God of my understanding, but I do respect those that do, to each his own choice. So take me off that non-believer list.
I have to go to work now- Can't sit at the pc all day- it's not my job- So I am sure you will get what your ego desires Taliman, THE LAST WORD! My ego requires only peace and truth.
B/C I am done for today. It was a blast! So you later
Have a good time! May your day bring you happiness. I guess you were right, I did get the last word.....................for now.
That is not propaganda. Again you misunderstand. I said in my previous post- you or anyone for that matter who calls that propaganda is ignoring the threat that is real, at least now for America. You may" allegedly" call it propaganda-but there are many who see it as useful information.
And that is exactly what Bill O'Reilly(Fox news commentator) thinks is dangerous too-to label it as propaganda. I agree with him. We need to be well-informed.
Strange. You don't have to read any books that's true- but you are allowed to criticize mine -but I get told to "keep my head down!" when I answer. HMM, something discriminating here towards women. I thought we were talking about the Bible and the Koran? Not to mention a similarity of how women should behave. I'm not a Muslim-if that's the case!
Keep the peace and let the truth reveal itself by at least giving something towards the topic, and not just about the people answering the questions. I didn't see any independent answer to the question itself by you thus far!
Why don't you like him? They all compete for ratings. I've checked most of them out & he's probably my favorite. His ratings are very high too. I think he's very credible & pleasant.
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