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As I am a firm believer in Islam, I would like to hear what others see in muslims and Islam.
Or if they have any misconception about Islam, I would like to hear about them.
If you know muslims personally what have you seen in them and what has changed in your view after meeting them and knowing them.
It frustrates me more than anger because many do not see the true Islamic faith but instead see violent man/men killing unneccessarily in the name of Islam especially in countries where there is no war.Some muslims who support such people are those who are themselves suppressed by the authorities/other countries and they see no way out from the dilemma,hence they have nothing but support for those who are courageous enough to do something/anything about the situation they are in.
About 9/11, I have read of some people who actually reverted/converted to Islam after 9/11 as they tried to find out what Islam was/is.
I have heard of Indian sikhs (they too wear turbans and do not shave their beards) being targetted because some assumed they were muslims.
If people were to really think and see clearly Jesus,Moses(alaihi salaam), both of them are depicted with full beards and wearing a robe like attire and if you really look at a muslim who follows the Prophet (pbuh), you see the identical image.
Martyrs are those who fight defending Islam. There had been women martyrs in the Prophets time who had been tortured and killed because of their faith in Allah and till their last breath they held to their faith.
Martyrs are only known to Allah as He alone knows what is in ones heart.
I think the fact that people only see the violence is what causes so much misperception about Islam. There's a phrase tossed around for news stories; "If it bleeds, it leads" which is certainly true. No one wants to hear about Muslims (or anyone for that matter) doing something good, it only makes the news and captures public interest if there is danger or death involved in the story. I think you're right about the terrorist supporters and suppression; government suppression and violation of basic human rights leads people to extreme behavior and makes them more susceptible to believing rhetoric. Look at North Korea - people are literally starving to death, but they celebrate "the leader" and are resistant to western ways. There is also evidence of this in other less developed nations where access to unbiased and unedited global news is restricted.
I also had heard of non-Muslims being targeted after 9/11. It was a scary time in this country and people were looking for a way to vent their anger. Suddenly we were afraid of almost anyone who was middle-eastern looking. To this day, Middle Eastern men are viewed with suspicion at airports; I read an article recently about a group of young Middle Eastern men (I don't remember where they were from) who while waiting to board their flight were in a corner by themselves, praying. Someone threw a hissy fit about it and the men were investigated, the flight was delayed, blah blah blah. And guess what? They were just a group of men praying before their flight. No bombs strapped to their chests, no box cutters, nothing. Just a few guys joined in prayer. I understand Americans are paranoid, but that sort of thing angers me; learn something about the religion and customs before you go pointing fingers at people, indicting they are going to blow up your plane. To contrast that, I had a flight to the US mid-west the day after the big liquids ban here, where no one was allowed to carry any liquid of any type beyond the security checkpoint. My husband and I got on our flight, and I noticed an Asian man with a mason jar of brown liquid with a piece of tape on it that said, "Hot water, please". The man didn't speak English, and finally flagged down a flight attendant and got her to fill his jar with hot water (I assume it was tea). She didn't blink an eye - just took his jar, filled it up and brought it back to him. No one else on the flight cared that this man had smuggled an unknown liquid past security, and that was that. I hate to think of what would have happened had the man been of Middle Eastern descent, instead of Asian. I'd probably STILL be waiting for my flight!!!
.............. I read an article recently about a group of young Middle Eastern men (I don't remember where they were from) who while waiting to board their flight were in a corner by themselves, praying. Someone threw a hissy fit about it and the men were investigated, the flight was delayed, blah blah blah. And guess what? They were just a group of men praying before their flight. No bombs strapped to their chests, no box cutters, nothing. Just a few guys joined in prayer. I understand Americans are paranoid, but that sort of thing angers me; learn something about the religion and customs before you go pointing fingers at people, indicting they are going to blow up your plane. To contrast that, I had a flight to the US mid-west the day after the big liquids ban here, where no one was allowed to carry any liquid of any type beyond the security checkpoint. My husband and I got on our flight, and I noticed an Asian man with a mason jar of brown liquid with a piece of tape on it that said, "Hot water, please". The man didn't speak English, and finally flagged down a flight attendant and got her to fill his jar with hot water (I assume it was tea). She didn't blink an eye - just took his jar, filled it up and brought it back to him. No one else on the flight cared that this man had smuggled an unknown liquid past security, and that was that. I hate to think of what would have happened had the man been of Middle Eastern descent, instead of Asian. I'd probably STILL be waiting for my flight!!!
About the praying, for those of us who wish to follow the right path of Islam,we asked to attend to the call to prayer as it is a call to turn to Allah, and most who are used to praying on time will do it anywhere possible (cleanliness is a must). That is true faith in my idea because the call to the Almighty is what we should obey and not the criticism of other humans.
I am so glad you are one of those who see what most others dont, at least you are keeping an open mind about muslims/Islam.
You know the funny thing is the most high muslim populated nation at the moment is in Asia and not in the Middle East.
And the poor chap on your flight maybe taking a herbal medication for all we know (see keep an open mind... )
Yes, if I remember correctly, the men said they were praying for a safe flight, or something to that effect. I don't know what the man with the liquid had, but at that point, security was supposed to stop any and ALL liquids from coming past security, and drinks bought after the checkpoint had to be thrown away before getting on the plane. I forgot you aren't in the US, so you might not recall the liquid ban; apparently the British foiled some alleged terror plot involving liquid explosives, so liquids of all kinds were banned from flights in carry on luggage for a period of time. At the time I flew, it was tough to get prescription medications like insulin through unless the passenger had a written prescription from their doctor. Now there are silly 3oz restrictions, but that's beside the point! I think the man getting his beverage through the day after the ban took effect speaks more to the effectiveness of our security agents than anything else...
I do know about the liquid ban, its effects were far reaching....
We get international flights to and from here and it effected all travellers,but it started a few weeks later than the American and UK ban.
I look to the *fruits of Islam* and my opinion of Islam is very poor religion and system of goverment. I have discussed this many times on the Internet, so I will just hit a couple of highlights.
The countries are overwhelmingly ruled by dictators and tyrants. There are a few rich rulers and clerics with power, the masses and masses of Muslims are poor and uneducated.
Islamic countries have contirbuted NOTHING WORTHWHILE to the fields of literature, fine arts, science, political science, social sciences, architecture, landscaping, philosophy, on and on in HUNDREDS OF YEARS. The Koran is the end all and be all, hence most of their their cultures are dying and going violent as a result. The majority of the masses, 76% of Muslims are poor, have no hope. Their goal is to die and perhaps there is an afterlife.
I look to the *fruits of Islam* and my opinion of Islam is very poor religion and system of goverment. I have discussed this many times on the Internet, so I will just hit a couple of highlights.
The countries are overwhelmingly ruled by dictators and tyrants. There are a few rich rulers and clerics with power, the masses and masses of Muslims are poor and uneducated.
Islamic countries have contirbuted NOTHING WORTHWHILE to the fields of literature, fine arts, science, political science, social sciences, architecture, landscaping, philosophy, on and on in HUNDREDS OF YEARS. The Koran is the end all and be all, hence most of their their cultures are dying and going violent as a result. The majority of the masses, 76% of Muslims are poor, have no hope. Their goal is to die and perhaps there is an afterlife.
And so on.......
Cordially,
Choux,
What you see currently being practiced in most countries is not Islam in its true form.
If it was the true Islamic teachings being followed, these people would be among the best fathers,mothers,teachers,leaders etc.
Allah in Islam asks each individual to stand for justice even if it is against his own family.
"literature, fine arts, science, political science, social sciences, architecture, landscaping, philosophy, on and on in HUNDREDS OF YEARS. "
Islam contributed to all the above mentioned fields when it was being practiced as it should be, even today Islam continues to contribute,but in a smaller scale than it was during the Dark ages of the West/Europe.
Islam being a way of life cannot be taken in bits and pieces, it is to be practiced as a total guideline for an individual from the time he/she is born until death and everything in between.
Some of the practices in many Islamic countries go against the very basic teachings of Islam,hence what the world sees is the highlighted mistakes made in the name of Islam.
As in every cullture there are those who use the name of Islam for their own gains and profits,but if one were to understand the true religion of Islam, one must look at the basics,principles,pillars and the life of the Prophet(pbuh) and the life of his companions (May Allah be pleased with them).
The Quran and the teachings/sayings of the Prophet (pbuh)is what we depend on and if you really look into it, in the Quran are guidelines for so many things and the life of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)is the living example of the Quran.
Muhammad (pbuh)was a son,father,husband,leader of the community,commanded his troops,freed slaves,gave women the respect they deserved,stopped female infanticide (common practice in those days in Saudi Arabia),migrated for Allah's sake,forgave his enemies,made peace treaties etc and as he was a living example of the Quran, a true muslim will be a very good human being.
Just putting down what history shows. A lot of science came out of the middle east before the crusades not sure why it stopped.
Stay in peace
Assalaam alaikum,
I think the reason the advancement stopped is when many muslims started to leave the right and true path of Islam.
And many started interpreting Islam as they saw fit and choosing only parts of the religion they wishes and leaving the other bits.
Another factor is I think the worldly greed and the belief that we are masters of our fate and that it is our own greatness that made us excel in the sciences while it is a mercy from Allah that we are able to understand things even in the scientific field.
Insha Allah, more muslims will seek out education and learn the true religion of Islam instead of making it seem/sound like the most backward religion the world has ever seen.
And many started interpreting Islam as they saw fit and choosing only parts of the religion they wishes and leaving the other bits.
I think that is true of pretty much all religions on this earth. That is a reason many are leaving religion altogether.
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... and the belief that we are masters of our fate
I truly do believe that we ARE the masters of our own fate. That feeling is very empowering. I know we'll always differ there but I just wanted to give you my opinion.
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