Peace and love to everyone

I want to understand the difference between Islam and Judaism, there roots between the children of Abraham, who is the founder of all 3 faiths (Judaism, Chriostianity and Islam) to one God Almighty, and the Ka'Baa..

Can someone explain what Isaac and Jacob have to do with these roots since they both are the children of the same Father, Abraham and about the Ka'Baah,
and yes, Peace again to all.

trooper12

the real difference i think is between the two religions, however, lies in their basis for belief. Judaism is based on the unique historical event of a divine revelation experienced by the entire nation. Whereas Islam is based on the prophetic claims of a single individual who subsequently convinced others to follow his ways.

Talmudic tradition says that while Abraham's son Isaac became the forefather of the Jewish people, the Islamic line is descended from Abraham's other son Ishmael.

Maimonides states that the popularity of Christianity and Islam are part of God's plan to spread the ideals of Torah throughout the world. This moves society closer to a perfected state of morality and toward a greater understanding of God. All of this is in preparation for the Messianic age.

G4-450

Hi

i am confused by your post, can you point to some links to provide more information as to how Judaism is based on the unique historical event of a divine revelation experienced by the entire nation" ?

From what i understand: Israel was the name God gave to Jacob in Genesis 32:28. He had twelve sons: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Zebulun, Issachar, Dan, Gad, Asher, Naphtali, Joseph and Benjamin.

Eventually the families of these sons became the twelve tribes of Israel, each tribe being named after the respective son of Jacob (Israel).

So Israel and Jacob are the same person.
Judah is one of the tribes = Judaism., this is all after Abraham and Moses.
And Jesus also was from the line of Abraham's Progeny, no?
This is why it sounds confusing to anyone who has never realy fallowed any religion, or comes from one of them alone.

I have found the Koran to state that Most of the Koran agrees with the Bible from what i understand, it does not need the support of any man and seems to point to been Muslim as a verb no matter what religion you are, infact even Jesus prayed like Abraham, which is how muslims pray.Just mentioning all this since everyone is killing each other out there and i can not understand for what., like on one hand i can understand some people want oil and the others want justice, but how far is this going to go is another question in history, whos story.

but really, can you point to some links about that one, thanks

jduke44

Ummm, let me see if i can shed some light on this without going in to a long post. I am going to hit the highlights and go from there (Forgive me for not having the exact scriptural ref), ok? Abraham was tld by God he was going to be the faher of many nations. This is where Isaac comes from nd it did happen. Through his Isaacs seed(line) Jesus is born. You asked what Isaac and Jacob have to do with these roots since they are both Abraham's children. I don't understand your question since Jacob is Isaac's sonnot Abraham's son(maybe you meant Ishmael?.

Ishmael is Abraham's other son through Sarah's handmade. That is another nation. Even though God didn't want it to happen that way he wanted it through Sarah, God still blessed his son. (Abraham got impatient and thought he would hurry things up and here is Ishmael.) God wasn't happy but he promised Abraham that Ishmael's seed will be blessed also. Therefore, a nation was born out of Ishmael.

I know people are going to disagree with me but the war we are fighting turned into a spiritual war. Muslim nation hates the Christian and Judaism nation. Nations have been fighting for generations.

This does sound confusing but with god it does become very simple. Please post more questions and I'll try to answer them more fully and point you to some links if I can find them

G4-450

Very confusing indeed,

i can not say that muslims hate other religions, but they certainly state that they hate polytheists, at-least that was what i read the Kabaah Abraham built was about.

But what is more confusing is that people tend to believe in these religions with racial discrimination.

For example,.
Judaism is a religion, Islam is a religion, Christianity is a religion and even hinduism is a religion, but Hinduism is a polytheists religion., While Abraham is the line of One Allmighty God and the kabaa was to establish a non polytheist religion, is that correct?

But, we had Adolph Hitler who called the jews a race, and the U.S. Government shocked many jews by claiming them as a ethnic minority.
All sound like polythiests opinions too.

And now there are even more people confused about one God, and many seem to want to have there own personal God around to justify what they really worship, which could be power, money, greed..

i still do not get where the muslims come in as the enemy here if they are not polytheists., atleast the most part of who pratices correctly.,
Yet, maybe they are the enemies of thee global consumer market and at the least the undesirables to it all.

Would it be safe to say that polytheists are people who always put material things between themselves and others, god's enemies?
Not the jews, christians or Muslims., just who ever is a polythiest..?

G4-450

Interesting; Where did you find satan saying this?
And your post seems confusing, no offense.

I have come to the conclusion that people have the nature to love, all of us, every single one., but some forget that it also means worship.
I so far understand that when a person loves anything BUT God first,he or she broke the first and most important rule..Seems that when people start making there own rules, to justify unGodly ones, then its clear they lost there souls. i see people everyday judging others based on income, wealth and other falsee things that they disregard there lives as worthy.
Polytheists allways put between them and other humans there ignorance of what ideas they have that god is (what they actually worship),
Many of these people forgot God created everyone.And you ask ¿WHAT GOD IS IT THAT THEY WORSHIP THAT COULD NOT CREATE YOU AND ME?

I do not agree with the people that say, God loves jews and non jews are vermin.. Or the people that say the jews killed Jesus., or that Mohammed killed all Jews or Christians.

I do agree with people that say, the God of Abraham is the one true God., and the message is the same for every generation till today., Gods promise of bliss on earth is only to those who rightious, not the rich.

If understood so far, you stated that no one knows why we are here on earth, but yet Jesus was born with out a mortal father and like adam, the first man who was also created with either a mortal mother or father and Adam fell into temptation, which is what seems to be the thing everyione is dealing in this world with, sins

God loved Abraham because he was not a polytheists right?
And Abraham believed in the God that created all humanity, and he was rightious to seek the truth.

So far, i see all religions teaching this here, even Islam teaches that Abraham was the father of the one God religion, and that life is full of trials and polytheism is a addiction.

Conclusion so far;
All Abrahamic faiths are build on the promise that God will grant his blessing only on the righteous.

I still will not support killing for oil., i really am starting to believe that the 3 religions are fine if no one intervenes by fallowing there own unGodly rules.

G4-450

Well, the way you typed this looks confusing., but i read it..

I never knew Jesus had anything directly to do with Satan since Satan himself, Adam, Noa, abraham, moses where all before jesus., can you share where you got this information again,
Beware that Satan lies and tricks people into believing illusionary things, yo do not want to sound like this do you?

I have no intention to offend you so you know, i am only trying to ask why these people are all killing each other for when they are the same children of Abraham.... So far, i do not think its all based on Abrahams idea but Satans to do this?

Wars existed before Abraham, Cane kills able, his own brother, and you still have ignorant people killing each other under the impression of race ideologies even when there own brothers can be as evil as Cane.

When the Crusades attacked Jerusalem, they killed ethnic jews and christians, not Muslims alone, so that shows how ignorant they judged people..? judge people by appearance will not help you keep evil out of your home even if you lock your doors and your own children are possesed in tere minds to kill you for your money is it?

Jesus said the Truth will let you free, To worship God is believing in God, believing in God's is doing his will, and the will is to do his commandments., common sense teaches us today that these people who break them get steeper into crimes not only against others but also against there own souls., been a bad conscience is what they end up with, and burn in hell from it, even now, here.

BTW doing God's will means 'Muslim' in arabic., been jewish is also making a verb which all
Who did Jesus have a problem with
-the children of Ishmail= 12 tribes=Keder..
(who Jesus refered to as from the book of Isiah:42)
-the children of Isaac's child; Jacob AKA Israel-> the children if Israel?
-or those who became jews from the tribe of Judah?

Evil people will never HEAR the truth, i think when people are obsessed by something they can not comntrol themselves about, they will not hear you.
You may find yourself in a life threatening situation with materialists like this.

Can you post LINKS you get your information from?
I was under the impression that Satan was here before humans, and is here to Destroy anyone who is and does not believe in god.
Where did you find that Satan is here to destroy evil?

And where did you get that Jesus and Satan had a direct compatition?, from my quote above this must mean the Jews are satans tribe then no?
Judaism is a greek pagan name by the way., but i would love to see a link.
Thanks.

jduke44

G4-450, I heard on the news or in the paper, I can't remember, where Osama or another Muslim leader was saying that anyone who was not Muslim is an infidel which makes me believe they hate other religions. If I misunderstood then I apologize. Unfortunately, I am writing this from work so i don't have the time to look up links to find that article.

G4-450

Yeah, i can not find anything that says Islam or Muslims hate other religions, i can agree with the fact that they share what the Koran says when i ask them though., and that is simple.

1- Does not matter what religions you want to fallow after Abraham's, as long as you do good and remember meeting God on the last day.
2- But once you know the story and you prefer another religion, your reasons will be your loss to other people and there society for choosing them over Gods religion, which means submit to his will.
Because the story is that people made these religions after Abraham.

This is what they say, and it sounds completely opposite from the medias.

For example: Judaism is based on the Tora, the old testament in the bible.
Yet: The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book, they consider it more holy then the Tora AKA old testament in the bible. Christ and even Mohammed condemned the traditions of the Mishnah (early Talmud) and those who taught it (Scribes and Pharisees), because the Talmud nullifies the teachings of the Holy Bible.. (Mark 7:1-13)The Pharisees teach for doctrine the commandments of rabbis, not God.
I can go on...but orthodox jews practice all 660+ commandments and not just the 10 we all heard of, these above are some of them.

So these certain leaders of the scribes did the same thing to Mohammed that they did to Jesus when they met him, not that they are the same people, but people who consider there books the holiest thing on the planet.

This makes Islam look clean if you ask me, the only draw back is racism has its roots in the Talmud., if you read it online places you will see.
Judaic history, remember, are only one of the 12 tribes and where 14 Generations after Abraham, according to the Gospel MARK 1.

So, Islam is the only religion in history of of allowed other religions to live under there administration., this is why i am posting all this, i can not believe the whole U.S. war thing has anything to do with Islam other then sharing the wealth with arab sheiks who rose the prices after getting Sadam out of the way because he started to deal with Russia after all those years Osama worked for the CIA in Afghanistan to get them out of the picture.

But the one thing that strikes me as clear propaganda is when you say anything about anyone been Jewish, its anti Semitic, yet arabs are very Semitic and Judaism is only a religion, the claims to both rites are false and invented.

I still think people should have a second look at who is creating all the real problems and why on this planet., these people do not belong to any group, and they can be anyone, even your kids.

Morganite

Only Yitzak is the son of Abraham. Yacub is the son of Yitzak. Do not forget Ishmael.

Judaism preceded Christianity. Judaism and Christianity preceded Islam.

The fundamental premise of Christianity is that Jesus is the promised Messiah.

The fundamental premise of Islam is that both Judaism and Christianity have wandered from the truth and the revelations to Mohammed in Al Qur'an have restored knowledge of the True God.

Judaism and Islam are strictly monotheistic. Christianity is sometimes viewd as tritheistic.


The Ka’aba is honoured only in Islam, where it is considered to be the House Of Allah

In the province of Hejaz in the western part of Arabia, not far from the Red Sea, there lies the town of Makka. In the centre of this town there is a small square building made of stones, about 60 feet long, 60 feet wide and 60 feet high. Since time immemorial this town and this stone built house has been known to world travellers. This is Bait-ullah, the House of Allah. Its sanctity and antiquity is said to be older than history itself, although this is doubtful.

Islamic tradition says that the Kaaba was ordained by Allah to be built in the shape of the House in Heaven called Bait-ul Ma’amoor. Allah in his infinite Mercy ordained a similar place on earth and Prophet Adam was the first to build this place.

Muslims insist that the Bible, in the Chapter of Genesis describes its building when God ordained Abraham to erect a Shrine for worship when Abraham was ordered to go to the Southern desert with his wife Hagar and her son Ishmael.

Muslims say that the Old Testament describes this building as the Shrine of God at several places, but the one built at Ma’amoor is very much similar to the one at Makka. According to Islam, there is no doubt that it was referring to the stone built house at Makka.

Al Qura’an, they say, brought this story into the full light of history.

In Sura 3 Verse 90 Qora’an says “Allah has spoken the Truth, therefore follow the creed of Ibrahim [Abraham], a man of pure faith and no idolater”. The first house established for the people was at Makka, for a Holy place and a guidance to all beings. Al Qura’an, say Muslims, firmly establishes the fact that Ibrahim was the real founder of the Holy Shrine.

These claims can not be verified in secular history, but that is not unusual with some of the odder claims of religionists, such as the claim that the House of Mary the mother of Jesus was transported miraculously to a place called Walsingham in England, where, it is said, it still stands.

It is incorrect to claim Abraham as the founder of either Judaism, Christianity, or Islam. The best that can be done is to honour the patriarch as the father of Ishmael and Isaac, and the grandfather of Jacob, and the great-great grandfather of the bnei-yisrael.

Out of Judaism came Christianity, so that Abraham is the spiritual grandfather of Christians who are not of Abrahamic descent, and the same applies to Islam, although Abraham is the progenitor of the bnei-ishmael who, according to legend, became the princess of Arabia, said the number twelve, like the children of Jacob/.

Jesus warned against relying on descent from Abraham as a means of ensuring salvation or special preference.

MORGANITE