Peace and love to everyone

I want to understand the difference between Islam and Judaism, there roots between the children of Abraham, who is the founder of all 3 faiths (Judaism, Chriostianity and Islam) to one God Almighty, and the Ka'Baa..

Can someone explain what Isaac and Jacob have to do with these roots since they both are the children of the same Father, Abraham and about the Ka'Baah,
and yes, Peace again to all.

Morganite

Keep taking the mad pills. I have not made the suggestions you accuse me of.

I have not spoken of retaliation. I have not raved about the evil OBL who acts in contradiction to the Holy Koran.

I have not mentioned retaliation against religion and.or bibles.

My professional opinion is that you are insane and need committing to an asylum for the criminally insane.

I have reported you for consistently posting bad, racistm, hate-filled, pro-terrorist posts.


MORGANITE

G4-450

Agreed, but i will share with you how something needs to be more specific since its the key to the arguments these 2 faiths.

Just to be specific; Ishmael did not speak arabic and was not "The Founder Of The Arab Nations" as your stated., Both Ishmael and Isaac where brothers so if one was arab the other was arab, but they spoke Chaldean and where Semitic speaking peoples indeed.

Further more, Ishmael was the father of another 12 tribes whom God promised will replace the children of Israel if so they fall from grace, as jesus also put it when he reminded them that in order to obtain paradise; Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord...
And that they should of kept every one of Gods' Commandments;
Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.*
The tribe of Judah has indeed taken over all 11 + tribes and the Children of Israel lost there nation with them.

Also, it is Xtreamly important to remember that "Judaism and Islam" are faiths not a race.
This Abrahamic Faiths are built on a foundation of doing the will (submission in arabic) of the one true God of all humanity, it would contradict the God of Abraham if a worshiper claimed Jews where a race, both people and the cradle of humanity where all originally semitic peoples and no other evidence can be found other then this.

The first time people heard anyone call Jews or anyone else a race was when Adolph Hitler started comparing racial theories.

So been that the nations referred to by Abraham are based on a covenant referred to as "faith", the question is which of these people actually practice there religion?
Something to know about Ishmael and Isaac; [SIZE=1]
When God promised the land to prophet Abraham, his name was Abram.

God had asked Abram to change his name to Abraham when he was ninety-nine years old. (see Genesis 17:1-5). Ishmael the eldest son was at that time thirteen years old. Isaac was born one year after the name change.

In other words, Isaac was not even born when the land was promised by God.
The name Isaac appears for the first time in the Bible in Gen. 17:19.

The land was promised by God was to the seeds of Abram, (see K.J.V.),
and it was for ever. There is no record of God going back on His Promise.
Genesis chapter 28 deals with God's promise to Jacob. [/SIZE]

How did the Children of Israel pray, And how do Jews Pray may be a bit the same of not, you be the judge, as i understand it, if one does not pratice judaism he is not a jew any more then a muslim who does not pray since its one of the pillars of the islamic faith.

A) The children of Israel Prayed exactly the same way Abraham there father of the faith prayed which is the same way muslims pray, Jews , for the most part do NOT all pray like this, yet even Jesus fell on his face like this. ( i did a search on the net for a pict)
and read below how many others in the bible prayed like this.
[SIZE=1]Genesis 17:3 "And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,"
Genesis 17:17 "Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?"
Exodus 34:8 "And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped."
Numbers 20:6 And Moses and Aaron went from the presence of the assembly unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and they fell upon their faces: and the glory of the LORD appeared unto them.
Numbers 16:20-22 "And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying, Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment. And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and wilt thou be wroth with all the congregation?"
Nehemiah 8:6 And Ezra blessed the LORD, the great God. And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, with lifting up their hands: and they bowed their heads, and worshipped the LORD with [their] faces to the ground.
Joshua 5:14 "And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant?"
Ezekiel 9:8 "And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem?"
2 Chronicles 20:18 "And Jehoshaphat bowed his head with his face to the ground: and all Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem fell before the LORD, worshipping the LORD."
Ezekiel 11:13 "And it came to pass, when I prophesied, that Pelatiah the son of Benaiah died. Then fell I down upon my face, and cried with a loud voice, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou make a full end of the remnant of Israel?"
Matthew 17:6 "And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid."
Matthew 26:39 "And he (Jesus) went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt."
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Morganite

G4-450 - You said that Hitler was a Muslim because he hated Jews. Where did you find that?




MORGANITE

G4-450

ha hah nice try hot head, did you cool off yet?

Show me where i said that, your simply been a liar and another dirty phony Jew who thinks faith comes from his mother or someone else been Jewish in his family.

There are people who say that they are Jewish, Christian or Muslim, but the ones that do not believe and practice are not at all any of them., but in-fact racist to claim FAITH as a inheritance by calling themselves these names.

So you know, I have at my disposal many bookmarks and books to save me time and trouble on these false statements you make when i post here.

As for your friend Hitler,
Hitler was a Racist Jew, had no faith at all.
Further more, only a racist would claim that Hitler was NOT a Jew because the only relative he had Jewish was his grand mother, and any Racist can call themselves Jews or muslims but not practice these faiths, this is why they are racist in the first place by clearly going against faith in the ONE TRUE God of Abraham for all humanity

Evidence in the Gospals;
Jesus called the Jewish scribes devils for saying that they did not "recognize him or his word" yet while claiming that they where seed of Abraham, seed as in blood not the faith for all man kind.

So then Jesus told them that if they where the seed of Abraham they would hear his word and recognize it, but they insead judged Jesus for been another poor man from Nazareth by his appearance.

Further more, Jesus told the Jewish scribes that if they indeed where the seed of Abraham, then they would do the works of Abraham, but they did not so, and Jesus called them Liars and said there fathers where liars also for using racial ideology to claim there faith,

Jesus then explained that Abraham's seed was the faith in doing the will (Commandments ) of the one true God of all humanity and that this was the promise to all man kind and not just Jews or the tribe of Judah.

Jesus went further to remind them that they are simply offspring of ONE GOD and HIM YOU SHALL WORSHIP ALONE and HIS HANDS ARE OPEN, NOT CLOSED TO ALL LIKE THE JEWS SAID.

Further more; if they (Judah), the single tribe of the "Children of Israel" DID NOT do the works of Abraham, then God will choose another nation that will keep there word (FAITH) and be a good example to guide mankind, and do the works of Abraham.., and of-course who was that nation but the tribes of Ishmael from the begining when God promised Abraham not to sacrifice his first son Ishmael, so read and learn as you say tough guy.

This is also Something Ultra Orthodox Jews hide from Christians while they curse them behind there backs with there Talmud's saying they are Vermin, just like Hitler and his racist theories.


Real Jews pray the same way that muslims do today and wear the same white skull caps, as i posted above.

Again, these are 2 faiths, faith is not something you just inherit from your mother or father, it is what you yourself earn.

Just so you know, i do not agree with all Islamic rulings, but i also would not go as far in depth as you have for Judaism with the corruption in the bible and political practices of many false jews and there God "Segman Fried" who they use as a therapeutical manipulative scam on others., very Un Faithful indeed.

You have not once given the thought to all the crimes against humanity for land, power and money by Israel and the U.S., as well as the lives we lost when you mention all this, and i am not talking just the 9/11 themes but iraq as well.

So lets read what the ultra Orthodox Jewish Talmudic Teachings say[SIZE=1]

---> This one Sounds like your MORGANSTINE !!
Rabbi Yaacov Perrin said, "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." (NY Daily News, Feb. 28, 1994, p.6).

In the Public's Eyes been they are gentiles, you hear;
"Whoever destroys the life of a single human being...it is as if he had destroyed an entire world; and whoever preserves the life of a single human being ...it is as if he had preserved an entire world."

However, Hesronot Ha-shas points out that these are not the authentic words of the original Talmud.

In other words, the preceding universalist rendering is not the authentic text of the Talmud and thus, for example, this universalist version which Steven Spielberg in his famous movie, Schindler's List attributed to the Talmud (and which became the motto of the movie on posters and in advertisements), is a hoax and constitutes propaganda intended to give a humanistic gloss to a Talmud which is, in its essence, racist and chauvinist hate literature.

In the authentic, original Talmud text it states that "whoever preserves a single soul of Israel, it is as if he had preserved an entire world" (emphasis supplied). The authentic Talmud text sanctions only the saving of Jewish lives.


Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.

Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.

Gittin 57a. Says Jesus is in hell, being boiled in "hot excrement."

Sanhedrin 90a. Those who read the New Testament ("uncanonical books") will have no portion in the world to come.

Shabbath 116a. Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, i.e. the New Testament.

Minor Tractates. Soferim 15, Rule 10. This is the saying of Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: Tob shebe goyyim harog ("Even the best of the gentiles should all be killed").

This passage is from the original Hebrew of the Babylonian Talmud as quoted by the 1907 Jewish Encyclopedia, published by Funk and Wagnalls and compiled by Isidore Singer, under the entry, "Gentile," (p. 617).

This original Talmud passage has been concealed in translation. The Jewish Encyclopedia states that, "...in the various versions the reading has been altered, 'The best among the Egyptians' being generally substituted." In the Soncino version: "the best of the heathens" (Minor Tractates, Soferim 41a-b].

Israelis annually take part in a national pilgrimage to the grave of Simon ben Yohai, to honor this rabbi who advocated the extermination of non-Jews. (Jewish Press, June 9, 1989, p. 56B).

On Purim, Feb. 25, 1994, Israeli army officer Baruch Goldstein, an orthodox Jew from Brooklyn, massacred 40 Palestinian civilians, including children, while they knelt in prayer in a mosque. Goldstein was a disciple of the late Brooklyn Rabbi Meir Kahane, who told CBS News that his teaching that Arabs are "dogs" is derived "from the Talmud." (CBS 60 Minutes, "Kahane").

University of Jerusalem Prof. Ehud Sprinzak described Kahane and Goldstein's philosophy: "They believe it's God's will that they commit violence against goyim, a Hebrew term for non-Jews." (NY Daily News, Feb. 26, 1994, p. 5).

Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg declared, "We have to recognize that Jewish blood and the blood of a goy are not the same thing." (NY Times, June 6, 1989, p.5).
The Old Testament Mosaic law states that touching a human corpse or the grave of a human imparts uncleanness to those who touch it. But the Talmud teaches that if a Jew touches the grave of a Gentile, the Jew is not rendered unclean, since Gentiles are not human (not of Adam).

From Baba Mezia 114b: ""A Jewish priest was standing in a graveyard. When asked why he was standing there in apparent violation of the Mosaic law, he replied that it was permissible, since the law only prohibits Jews from coming into contact with the graves of humans (Adamites), and he was standing in a gentile graveyard. For it has been taught by Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: 'The graves of gentiles [goyim] do not defile. For it is written, 'And ye my flock, the flock of my pastures, are men (Adam)' (Ezekiel 34:31); only ye are designated men (Adam)."

I can go on, and this is about a fraction of the evil Ultra Orthodox Jews practice with there man written books, the Talmuds.[/SIZE]

G4-450

Is that from the iChin?
Do i really need to quote you again?

1-You said OBL attacked WTC, i said he was not wanted for it or did it, you had no proof so i posted the FBI link for you so you can see for yourself that he is NOT wanted for this by the FBI, read and learn as you stated before, or are you clearly a hypocrite now as well.

2-You also said OBL went against the Koran and Bible (and where in them) for something again you could not prove, while i also again reminded you that OBL was under contract and paid with our TAX DOLLARS as a CIA agent with a trained team to fight Russians out of Afghanistan and those pilots where also part of that CIA devision.

3- Fact is, the argument you presented was that OBL carried out 9/11, even if so, it was all politically motivated and a religious duty according to OBL himself, as much as it should of been all peoples duty to stopping the Nazis when they also committed crimes against humanity, and it still should be our duty when countries commit crimes against humanity like Israel has done with the U.S. starting with Palestine, Iraq, South america, Africa, China and other people around the globe .

So, are you sure that you are not making indirect CONFESSIONS again?

Jihad in the bible is the same external Jihad in the Koran, Fighting in God's way is removing Tyranny, Tyranny is usually motivated by a lust for something, greed, power, money, sex whatever it is its evil, and of-course the U.S. has many man dirty secrets and caused many deaths.


I had the proof, where is yours, time to get your stray jacket again..
As i see it so far, your professional opinion is based on a professional LIAR and Con Artists, so go can to sleep MORGANIGHT

I would love to see how i am pro terrorists on this forum, i spoke out against the U.S. and anyone using force to gain the advantage against civilians and murdering many as the U.S. has for the last 25+ years, and as i investigated this matter i realized that The U.S. is now the number one terrorists nation besides Israel on the planet and a threat to world peace, So how does this make me Pro terrorist?, --> especialy when i ask about the links i post about Talmudic teachings of hatred against non Jews., did you have anything to say about them yet?

And what do you mean about Bad racism, is yours good as in Talmudic?

AGAIN, i asked about these 2 faiths because i only seem to see one of them practicing and the other politically greedy in israel.

So if Muslims challenge anyone to there faith and are confidant its true,
Why do some Jews today tell me i am not allowed to know what is behind there motives for the kabala and there talmuds, You have not once backed anything up you said , and only shared your opinion based on Pro Jewish media..

STONY

You Guys Should Really Go To Answerway, They Specialize In Arguing And Insulting Each Other. I Will Have To Rethink Wheather Or Not Coming To This Site Was Such A "good" Idea.

G4-450

well

I did say that these are the key arguments between the 2 faiths,
IF you ask muslims they will show you their books and historical facts, but if you ask a orthodox Jew, he will walk away from you if you not one yourself or tell you something with out showing you a thing.

i asked "Morganite" here to show me his or atleast present a answer to these writtings in the Jewish Talmud books which are allot like Nime kumpf as i see, but he instead got all hot headed and AVOIDED THE QUESTIONS.
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[SIZE=1]But i still would like to know what he thinks about these Talmudic writings still, for they are like the arabic Hadeeths (sayings) but very evil compared to hadeeths with are devided between authentic and non authorized or witnessed sayings.

And again, i am saying this becuase we all make mistakes and there is allways room for peace if there is room for the truth, so if Morganite likes peace why not step forward rather then expressing hatred towards the arabs in islam mentioned here? [/SIZE]

It is for sure that if he has this bitter outlook about certain people its clear he backs all these Talmudic racist books.

And on top of that, i accept his been ignorant with arabic, i am not a arabic speaker myself and i make the same mistakes, we all make these mistakes miss interpreting Islam this way too.

Example:Morganite mentions "Fatwa", that means "Warrant" in english,
The U.S. has a "Fatwa" AKA "Dead or Alive" Warrant on Osama Ben Laden but not for 9/11 which Morganite claims, but for with holding information he knew about the bombings at a Embassey "Majuba" Africa.

Morganite

I have told you before, I am not a Jew, Orthodox, LIberal, Conservative, Hassidic, or Ultra Orthopdox.

Therefore, your arguments about them are of no importance to me. This thread was started with the subject 'THE NAME OF GOD.'

What your anti-semitic tirades have to do with that subject you seem unable to explain. I have tried to understand you, but you refuse to be reasonable and continue to attack as if I had personally done you and your family some great harm.

I can only say, that your targetting of your supposed enemies is as accurate as Bion Laden's targetting of the thousands of Israelis he thought were kept locked up inside the WTC.

My culture teaches me to respond to what an enemy has done, not to punish an innocent party because of what someone else has done.

You don't like Jews? Fine. You don;t like Christians? FIne. You don't like Muslims? Fine. You don't like Arabs or Egyptians or Indians or Turks or Frenchmen? Fine.

You do not have to like them. No one is oging to make you like them. But what has this to do with the nam,e of God?

G4-450

Where did i say you are Jewish or even Muslim?
Maybe racist Zionist so far if anything for not speaking out against Talmudic Hatred.

This thread is called Islam and Judaism
I am still asking about Ultra Orthodox Jewish Talmud's and there racist anti semitic threats and threats to all to all (non jewish) humanity.

Your avoiding the fact that the talmud is anti Semitic and a threat to world peace itself,

Semitic means Asiatic speaking peoples ( aramaic, arabic, persian and finally hebrew in 1945) basically Semitic means Arabic speaking people, Hebrew was only spoken since 1945 and was only used in scriptures before this with out vowels, this is where there Tenak you mentioned came AFTER THE TORAH not BEFORE IT, its a letter build up of the Torah., so your theory there is false, and wether your jewish or not it is a historical Zionist lie.

Either you are realy obsessed with Zionism or simply brainwashed by some sneeky Zionist Wanna be Semitic Jew from somewhere other then Israel.

I like to know what makes you think i have enemies or where you got that crazy idea?
Again , i am 100% sure you will not answer the questions because you can not, you make everything up like your Osama stories which so many people have doubts about with theories as well.


what culture that, POP?
In your statement, you should die for the germans if your saying we should of never bombed them to end that terrible war with so many people baked in ovens, but then again, us dropping a Bomb on Japan kind of tells the whole truth behind Hitler and the "NEW WORLD ORDER" his banker Prescott Bush was backing up., that name Bush sounds familiar does it not?

I never said i did not like jews, Judaism's holiest book is the Torah, so i like those who read it with the right reading and not the liars who read that book you ignore called the Talmud when you kiss there A*ss by making up stories like they predated the tribe of Judah itself.

Ok you your trying to do what these Zionist say when Jews ask them why the hell they are obsessed with the idea of Israel oppression the gentiles (non Jews), this means your the average American's enemy, even more then Osama ben Laden for dragging innocent people into a war with out them knowing how mush you hate them for not been Jewish, and think of them as we read in the Talmud, and as we heard the Zionist Jew Hitler also say about the real Jews he wanted to get rid of.

For someone who claims they are not jewish it could be your a simple racist Jew Zionists who believes the Talmud is Holier then the torah and non jews should die, is that correct?

In a court of law, your time is about up here, silence is no longer a gonna protect that fact that you did not ever say anything contrary to the TALMUD, which states "NON JEWS SHOULD DIE AND ARE VERMIN" , Hitler even said the same things about real Jews who followed the Torah, so how does this Book and you defer here?

The topic is? (((((((Islam and Judaism))))))))
Lets talk about the talmud, a book many Jews DO NOT CONSIDER HOLY!

So read and learn as you say hypocrite !!!!!!!

So now that its clear i am on the topic, can you give your 2 cents about these Talmud's?, i have no problem to take back anything i said insulting if you are against the Talmud's hatred for humanity and plans for world destruction, especially if you admit to think about Israel having WMODs and these religious fanatics there with these books sounds like a dangerous plot compared to Iraq.

So lay of OBL and the WTC, or at-least ask how 1500 jewish employees new enough to move out of the WTC just days before this happened and did not tell others.

Morganite

I followed your posted quote: THE JEWISH PEOPLE, CONTROL AMERICA. AND THE AMERICANS KNOW IT, to its source.

Its source is DAVID IRVING.

He is discredited, and everything you post or repeat that he has posted or said is discredited. No decent Muslim will listen to his lies.

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Irving is a Nazi, and those who promulgate and propogate his vicuious godless hatred are also Nazis.

You kiss his feet if you want to, and worship his as your god if you want to, but it becomes time to tell the truth.

That time is now.

You believe David Irving! It would be funny if it was not tragic.


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