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Old Nov 26, 2006, 10:51 AM
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Adam and Eve or Others?

This idea came out from somebody I know and it got me to think about it as well. Everybody knows the story about how Adam and Eve is the start of human race and we came from them. That would mean we are all brothers and sisters and we are all related. Now here is the question. Is it possible that there was more then one adam and eve? Meaning if we came only from these two people at the beginning. How do we get all different kinds of races, different cultures. Blacks, whites, yellow, chinese, japeness, asian and I could go on. How could there be so many different types of humans if we only came from adam and eve. It does not add up. What do you think about this. What is your theory or explanation of this.

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Old Nov 26, 2006, 01:42 PM   #2  
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The potential for genetic variation was there from the start. What made it go to extremes was geographical isolation after what happened at Babel. Mountain ranges like the Himalayas, seas such as the Black and Caspian and Mediterranean, oceans like the Pacific and Atlantic, deserts like the Sahara and the Gobi. All these tend to isolate populations and cause certain characteristics to predominate based on natural selection for certain traits.
http://www.cartage.org.lb/en/themes/...iologyRace.htm



Something else to keep in mind are the dog breeds--all of which can be traced back to the wolf.
http://av.rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9ibyKd...__dog_orig.htm
Yet, how different they all seem from one another! However, they can all interbreed. I once read about a fella who took his male Chihuahua to a friend's house where there was a female Great Dane. When a pregnancy was discovered they just couldn't figure out how the small dog had done it. But the point is that despite their variety all dogs descended from wolves can interbreed as can all humans regardless of outward appearances because we are all related.


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Jesus believed it added up, wasn't just a story, and cited from the Genesis creation account.

Genesis 2:
(New King James Version)

23 And Adam said:
“This is now bone of my bones
And flesh of my flesh;
She shall be called Woman,
Because she was taken out of Man.”

24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.


Matthew 19:4-6 (New King James Version)

4 And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made[a]them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’[b] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?[c] 6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”

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Old Nov 26, 2006, 05:24 PM   #3  
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There is even a greater anomaly here. As I recall, Adam and Eve only had sons, so where did their wives come from?

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Actually no Scott, Adam and Eve had several daughters to, I won't give the plot away, and let you re-read it for yourself.

But in the bible, the story of creation is mentioned twice in Gen. It gives us the specific of Adam and Eve, but it also says men and women he created "them".

so yes I see no reason to beleive that there were several or many people created, if they all lived in Garden of Eden or not, ????

But the bible in the OT gives us the relationship of God to man, and mans relationship to God, from the view point and position of a specific line of people, Adam and Eve, and it is thier history of this line of people though Christ. So while of course most churches ( denominations) don't agree with that view, I don't see a issue with it being possible, since it does not take away from any meaning of the bible.

Of course the main idea is that Adam and Eve being pure and perfect in body, and we are told only of specific children, what I have often wondered, part of the curse, is that after they were put out, that there would be pain in child birth, so if they did not have any children before, what would be the comparison and why would they know this as a curse.

And we have no idea how long adam and eve lived in the garden, what if it was 1000 years, or 10,000, since they would not have aged there from all that is assumed. how many children could they have had at 1000 years, and if thier children had children with each other and so on ????

So after they were sent out of the garden, they were all sent out seperately ???

Ok, alot of guessing, but heck my guesses are as good as everyones.
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Thank you for sharing all of your thoughts Father.

I am still looking for a deeper answer. An answer that could explain all the differences in each other.

Starman - The theory that enviroment and isolation caused changes eventually to the looks of people.. I do not see how that is possible. Especially when the bible states that it started with Adam and Eve. So how could people spread so quickly into isolated areas to grow into or change into different looks and skins?

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I think the story about the Chihuahua pretty well sums it up JesusHelper76, anything is possible no matter how high you have to reach. If that Chihuahua could talk, I am sure he could explain it to you very succinctly. The main thing to consider is that those were undoubtly very ugly puppies. Kinda like the Gumps.
Humans are dividing into two subclasses at this very moment. In one hundred years, there will be tall, slender, intelligent people and then there will be the short, gumpy, morons that you see every day. Pretty people and Gumps do not interbreed; therefore, natural selection is creating the two subclasses.
The short, stupid gumps will live in one area near the dump, and the tall slender, pretty people will live up in the hills and in the nicer areas, like on the beach. The more the gumps interbreed, the more chorline in the gene pool, until the gumps finally die out.
That's just how it works on this planet.
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There is even a greater anomaly here. As I recall, Adam and Eve only had sons, so where did their wives come from?


Here is the specific part of the book of Genesis where we are told that he had daughters as well.

Genesis 5:4
And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

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Thank you for sharing all of your thoughts Father.

I am still looking for a deeper answer. An answer that could explain all the differences in each other.

Starman - The theory that enviroment and isolation caused changes eventually to the looks of people.. I do not see how that is possible. Especially when the bible states that it started with Adam and Eve. So how could people spread so quickly into isolated areas to grow into or change into different looks and skins?

Joe


I am not sure what you mean by quickly.
It's been approximately five thousand years since the post-Noachian Flood dispersal and subsequent relative isolation of certain groups. The dispersal itself, however, was quick.

Here is how it is described.
Genesis 11
1And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech....

9Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.


This is not to say that variety of mankind wasn't present prior to the dispersal.
But it wasn't yet concentrated in geographical areas or hadn't gone to the present extremes.
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I think the story about the Chihuahua pretty well sums it up JesusHelper76, anything is possible no matter how high you have to reach. If that Chihuahua could talk, I am sure he could explain it to you very succinctly. The main thing to consider is that those were undoubtly very ugly puppies. Kinda like the Gumps.
Humans are dividing into two subclasses at this very moment. In one hundred years, there will be tall, slender, intelligent people and then there will be the short, gumpy, morons that you see every day. Pretty people and Gumps do not interbreed; therefore, natural selection is creating the two subclasses.
The short, stupid gumps will live in one area near the dump, and the tall slender, pretty people will live up in the hills and in the nicer areas, like on the beach. The more the gumps interbreed, the more chorline in the gene pool, until the gumps finally die out.
That's just how it works on this planet.



The Chihuahua example was given to illustrate how we are all of one race-the human race and that our external appearances are superficial. The breeding ability among all races is proof of that. About pretty people and uglies not interbreeding, I see it happening every day. The ugliest men go around with the prettiest women if the men have enough money to lure the female into that type of relationship. Looks are not all that a woman seeks in a man-there is character as well. Neither do I see a gradual reduction of ugly people. In fact, they out-breed and outnumber the good looking people. Neither does natural selection go by looks. If it did then most people on earth would be good looking.
But most are not.

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What some considers beauty is not to others. What some considers ugly is not to others.

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I think the story about the Chihuahua pretty well sums it up JesusHelper76, anything is possible no matter how high you have to reach. If that Chihuahua could talk, I am sure he could explain it to you very succinctly. The main thing to consider is that those were undoubtly very ugly puppies. Kinda like the Gumps.
Humans are dividing into two subclasses at this very moment. In one hundred years, there will be tall, slender, intelligent people and then there will be the short, gumpy, morons that you see every day. Pretty people and Gumps do not interbreed; therefore, natural selection is creating the two subclasses.
The short, stupid gumps will live in one area near the dump, and the tall slender, pretty people will live up in the hills and in the nicer areas, like on the beach. The more the gumps interbreed, the more chorline in the gene pool, until the gumps finally die out.
/That's just how it works on this planet./
What planet are you on?

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