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----------THREAD IS SOLELY MEANT FOR INDIANS,ESPECIALLY in INDIA-----
You know I just quit my job today, and I cant explain how relieved I feel about it.Used to work as a tech support in a BPO , outsourced in India with most customers calling from america .To a point where I realised that the job was getting way too frustrating for me ,was doing absolutely no good for me, demoralising me completely .By the way there is one thing which i can certainly say for sure --- I THINK MOST AMERICANS ARE *******S BY DEFAULT----------
With some customers using language like " This bastard router is not working, I'll f**k your wife if you dont make it work"
Even heard of Austrlians, New zealanders being super racists .
I just want to address this issue especially to Indians who are doing such jobs, "Guys common , wake up - think we deserve much better " , .We live in our own country and do such derogatory work , such derogatory jobs. Its like living in your own country and lobbying the white man's *** , and sucking it hard and dry .And someone out- there just calls up and uses such language ,abuses us outright - and we do nothing !
Stop working in these so called MNCs , these so called tech support centres.Im sure we have better things to do , better oppurtunities .
I just heard about a certain Richard bouchman (apparently someone in the White house) who criticised India for accusing Pakistan of its involvement in the Mumbai Blasts recently, citing we do not have hard evidence ,when the fact is one of the key suspects himself has confessed of " The Pakistans ISi's involvement in these attacks .See how useless these people are ?, and we go lobbying after them , such useless people. We think of strengthening our ties with these guys. "Byall means remember one thing-we are the east and they are the west , and no matter what -the difference will always be there.common , at leat educated indians should not opt out for such derogatory work !"
Anyway I just wanted to make this one point straight from my heart,and anyway this thread is solely for anyone who has probably gone through the same harrasing experience as I have.I dont care about anything else.
thats because some countries are bigger than other countries...so yea big countries like europe and america adn asia will proabbly have more racist then smaller countires because of the numbers invovled...though really if you mean percentile. i unno maybe the middle east is just trainded to hate us??? so they put them in crummy jobs where ppl are gone say stupid crap to prove to them that americans are stupid and we all deserve o die???? **goes conspiracy theory**
You are 100% correct. People are trained to hate. Sadly the training begins in the home where the parents pass on their negative opinions to their children who eventually pass it on to theirs. A country's historically -influenced culture determines its type and amount of racism.
I think it is funny ( funny strange or sad not funny haha), how so many people will be racist about a race, and then claim it's because they are all racist. The thing is, when people call and are already frustrated, and then it is either hard to understand or your problme is getting fixed, it just begets more anger. True some Americans are racist, just like some europeans, austrailians, middle easterns etc are racist. anytime you asume that all of any type of culture are one way, and you lump people into groups you risk being prejudice or rascist.
rascist is thinking you are above a certain group/race.
prejudice is thiniking certain untrue things are true based on stereotypes or other common misleading facts or assumptions.
and other times
for this indian guy....really it has nothing to do with your accent or that yoru indian, someitmes people are just rude regardless where you are from.
i have had Indian people be incredibly rude to me, especially males do I assume all indians are racist or all indian males are sexiest pigs no.
but if however this guy has only dealt with stupid ignorant americans then maybe that is why he would come to that conclusion. anyways I hope this guy can realize that by him being racist too won't fix any of the problems.
that should have been problem is not getting fixed...
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Alright,
I think Im through with this one ,probably because Im tired of recieving e-mail alerts because of this thread everytime I open my mailbox,and strange enough no Indian has commented on this post!
First and foremost I want apologize if I have hurt someone by posting this thread.Im not the kind of person who likes to harbour feelings of hatred regarding a particular caste.
My intention of posting was to throw light on the fact - that there are such people , and this is exactly the kind of language they use -and it is not a once in a blue moon kind of situation.So much so that the tech support executive literally feels threatened -emotionally black-mailed!
Every single thing mentioned in this post is nothing but the truth.I haven't lied about anything so how can someone even point a finger at me ?
And whats this whole thing about me sounding racist ?Even if I did sound like a racist t then I just have one simple question - Who sowed that seed of racism in my mind ? - It is people who represented your country right ? People from your country right !- because I was not always like this ,What caused to me to get so bitter -so anti american ?
Anyway I dont want to comment more on this issue. Beacuse everytime those painful memories flash in my mind ,it brings nothing but tears to my eyes.I have experienced female tech support executives in India literally crying on certain calls .Either ways in my opinion its not a good idea to have outsourced -tech support centres ,especially in India.
True there are racists in every country , but no one is taught to be a racist.
I personally dont think so.
If people in the Middle East harbour feelings of hatred for americans - then it is because of America's government policies in Iraq and particularly in the few arab countries, that have fuelled more hatred.Of those thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians who die almost every day in those suicide bombings -that has angered them -Its not only innocent Iraqis, but so many innocent americans who have become victims -you remember Daniel Pearl right ?
Anyway ,I dont want to stretch the topic more-
No more hard feelings
Take care
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LUNAGODESS, -thank you for your advice also fred J, and couple of others.
amethyst - I was just kidding -that last comment was a joke , nothing serious,
(hopefully this is my last post )
And whats this whole thing about me sounding racist ?Even if I did sound like a racist t then I just have one simple question - Who sowed that seed of racism in my mind ? - It is people who represented your country right ? People from your country right !- because I was not always like this ,What caused to me to get so bitter -so anti american ?
Racism: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities
Your original note condemned Americans, because of the actions of a few. That is racist. If you had simply wrote about the boors who treated you poorly, that would have been different. But you didn't. You condemn a whole country because of the actions of a few.
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Originally Posted by adityakalekar@gmail.com
True there are racists in every country , but no one is taught to be a racist.
I personally dont think so.
If people in the Middle East harbour feelings of hatred for americans - then it is because of America's government policies in Iraq and particularly in the few arab countries, that have fuelled more hatred.Of those thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians who die almost every day in those suicide bombings -that has angered them -Its not only innocent Iraqis, but so many innocent americans who have become victims -you remember Daniel Pearl right ?
I totally disagree. There is a great song from the play South Pacific; "You have to be carefully taught". If you've ever looked at young children playing in a racially mixed environment you can see that they aren't racist. Its taught to them later on.
I am not a supporter of my country's policies in Iraq, but I suggest you look at WHO is doing most of the killing of Iraqi civilians! Who is setting off the suicide bombs! Its not Americans!
True there are racists in every country , but no one is taught to be a racist. I personally dont think so.
Ok, let's explore that. If hate and racism isn't a learned behaviour then are you suggesting that people are born that way? Have you ever seen 4 and 5 year olds playing in a park with other kids? They don't care what colour skin their playmate has. They don't even care if they speak the same language.
I love your last sentence Scott... 100% spot on!! Although i wouldnt say im not a supporter of your countries policies as i think they didnt have a wide range of choices really! So i SUPPORT them
And NK im with you also, ofcourse people are taught, no one is born racist.
Racism: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities
Your original note condemned Americans, because of the actions of a few. That is racist. If you had simply wrote about the boors who treated you poorly, that would have been different. But you didn't. You condemn a whole country because of the actions of a few.
I totally disagree. There is a great song from the play South Pacific; "You have to be carefully taught". If you've ever looked at young children playing in a racially mixed environment you can see that they aren't racist. Its taught to them later on.
I am not a supporter of my country's policies in Iraq, but I suggest you look at WHO is doing most of the killing of Iraqi civilians! Who is setting off the suicide bombs! Its not Americans!
I still condemn it, because I have every reason to do so.And you really did not understand my point -
"no one is born a racist , no one is taught to be racist - if people become racist it is because of the reality they see,the experiences they go through,
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So many Indians have become victims of racial profiling -like those 12 innocent passengers who were detained on board a Dutch flight because they were suspected to be terrorists - and what was their fault ?-
they were brownish in skin colour - do you understand Mr. ScottGem (Sir)
Right from the start I had a valid point and I still do so.
And Mr. ScottGem -why are Iraqi civilians being targetted ?-because of Americas presence in Iraq, - do you understand that?
what if you faced a similar situation in America ,where you had civilians being killed everyday in suicide bombings ? -Yes ,you have any answer for that-
Dont you point a finger at me,.To me you seem like those persons with typical mindsets - As someone has rightly said "Never cry in front of a person wo doesnt value your tears , or who doent understand your wounds" -
Is there anyway I can stop getting e-mail alerts - because Im sick & tired of this thing -
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I still condemn it, because I have every reason to do so.And you really did not understand my point -
"no one is born a racist , no one is taught to be racist - if people become racist it is because of the reality they see,the experiences they go through,
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So many Indians have become victims of racial profiling -like those 12 innocent passengers who were detained on board a Dutch flight because they were suspected to be terrorists - and what was their fault ?-
they were brownish in skin colour - do you understand Mr. ScottGem (Sir)
Right from the start I had a valid point and I still do so.
And Mr. ScottGem -why are Iraqi civilians being targetted ?-because of Americas presence in Iraq, - do you understand that?
what if you faced a similar situation in America ,where you had civilians being killed everyday in suicide bombings ? -Yes ,you have any answer for that-
Dont you point a finger at me,.To me you seem like those persons with typical mindsets - As someone has rightly said "Never cry in front of a person wo doesnt value your tears , or who doent understand your wounds" -
Is there anyway I can stop getting e-mail alerts - because Im sick & tired of this thing -
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No, you mistated your point. Yes we agree that no one is born a racist but we disagree that they aren't taught racism. Whether its taught to them by other racists, or they learn because of experiences to fear certain groups, its still taught.
What about the passengers on that Dutch airline? If they were racially profiled, who's to blame? True, they aren't to blame, but the blame should be placed on the people who have committed the acts of terrorism. If people are being profilled its because they fit the profile of those who have committed these crimes. The blame goes to them, not the people who are trying to protect the innocent.
Ok, so your logic is that its OK for the Iraqi insurgents to kill their fellow citizens because the US freed their country from the oppressive regime that was in power? That actually makes sense to you? Sure doesn't make sense to me. My answer to that is for the duly constituted government to go after the murderers using whatever help they need.
I will point my finger wherever it needs pointing. When I see people who post things I can refute with facts and logic, I will do so. The facts here are that you expressed some racist sentiments by condemning all Americans for the acts of a few. And your defense of those statements shows a bias that ignores the salient facts and defies logical thinking.
please all americans u should know what is going on on the world and why r u so hated( for documented reasons) u have to educated and acknowlege what is going on and stop being ignorant to the fact that this is going on and u r the one who is going to change your government from causing pain and killing all aver the world and for adityak post, that was his experience may be it was generaized and it is not fair to the none racist but let me give and example if a kid from iraq his mom and dad were killed by an american bomb u think his hatred to americans has not merits? u all should be ashamed that some americans r racist and should condemn that istead of going off on him, be educated and know why americans r hated to change that, if americans r educated they would refuse to give there votes to presedents cause killing and poverty around the world (for oil and whatnot) because this pain will come back here eventually and it did(9/11) , i do not think u can call someone a racist with out bad experience and he had one but we all can change that by just at least acknowlege that and the change will come eventually.
please all americans u should know what is going on on the world and why r u so hated( for documented reasons) .
You are making assumptions here. I, for one, do realize that were are often hated in other parts of the world. I, for one, do realize that, while we try to help others, we often do it with an arrogant, overbearing attitude. And, of course, the child who's parent is killed by an american bomb is going to hate americans. But what about the child whose parent is killed by a suicide bomb from his own people? Who should that child hate?
The Arab world needs to wake up to the fact that terrorism is not the answer. That indiscriminate killing just gives rise to more. Committing such acts will usually strengthen the resolve of the victims to stand against the terrorists. The answer is NOT to hate. The answer is to look at motives and try to work towards peace!
BTW I did not vote for this president nor do I agree with or approve of his actions, but you are putting cause and effect in reverse. Afghanistan and Iraq (at least partially) are the result of 9/11, not the cause of it.
Instead of hating Americans you should be trying to stop extremist from blowing people up and allowing them to hide among you ,then maybe those bombs won't be aimed in your direction. If they had no where to hide and be protected then innocent people would have nothing to fear.
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