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----------THREAD IS SOLELY MEANT FOR INDIANS,ESPECIALLY in INDIA-----
You know I just quit my job today, and I cant explain how relieved I feel about it.Used to work as a tech support in a BPO , outsourced in India with most customers calling from america .To a point where I realised that the job was getting way too frustrating for me ,was doing absolutely no good for me, demoralising me completely .By the way there is one thing which i can certainly say for sure --- I THINK MOST AMERICANS ARE *******S BY DEFAULT----------
With some customers using language like " This bastard router is not working, I'll f**k your wife if you dont make it work"
Even heard of Austrlians, New zealanders being super racists .
I just want to address this issue especially to Indians who are doing such jobs, "Guys common , wake up - think we deserve much better " , .We live in our own country and do such derogatory work , such derogatory jobs. Its like living in your own country and lobbying the white man's *** , and sucking it hard and dry .And someone out- there just calls up and uses such language ,abuses us outright - and we do nothing !
Stop working in these so called MNCs , these so called tech support centres.Im sure we have better things to do , better oppurtunities .
I just heard about a certain Richard bouchman (apparently someone in the White house) who criticised India for accusing Pakistan of its involvement in the Mumbai Blasts recently, citing we do not have hard evidence ,when the fact is one of the key suspects himself has confessed of " The Pakistans ISi's involvement in these attacks .See how useless these people are ?, and we go lobbying after them , such useless people. We think of strengthening our ties with these guys. "Byall means remember one thing-we are the east and they are the west , and no matter what -the difference will always be there.common , at leat educated indians should not opt out for such derogatory work !"
Anyway I just wanted to make this one point straight from my heart,and anyway this thread is solely for anyone who has probably gone through the same harrasing experience as I have.I dont care about anything else.
iam saying is toward something i believe would make a difference and it is not propaganda i am affected by it is truth and i thought americans r unaware and actually innocent and they need to know that because they have power ( being the biggest and powerful country)
Well there is just an example. You have somehow got this idea that Amercians are unaware and innocent. But thats not a true reflection of Americans in general. Sure there are plenty who follow our leaders blindly. Look how many still support Bush! But, in my experience, Americans are more aware and worldly then ever before.
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Originally Posted by SHAHRAZAD
scott i told u to watch other documentaries but u do not want u just want to take personally with me, did u know long time ago what america did to algadafi and how his daughter was killed and do not give the old american government justification, every time they attack other countries they say we want to protect the people form this fascist he bad for their country and united state is coming to your home to correct that, and do u know how the soviet union really collasped and when bill clinton when he was in a mess in his scandel how he tried to divert the attention by sending a missle to sudan to hit a pharmaceutical factory and the justification was he thought it was for chemical weapons alot of innocent poor people died in that and now iraq and the funny thing is that all with good intentions right, i am not denying good things but that would not deny the bad
Why do I need to watch these documentaries (not that I won't or haven't)? Why can't you you just state your opinions. You are the one bringing this up.
Are you referring to the head of Libya (algadafi)? The one who funded and encouraged many acts of terrorism? As I recall his daughter got killed in a RETALIATORY attack. So?
"every time they attack other countries". Other than Iraq, when did America ever attack other countries? Every other war we have been involved in America or her allies was attacked first!
I believe I do know how the Soviet Union collapsed, but I'd be interested in hearing why YOU think it happened.
One of the things I like about Clinton, is that he was, for the most part, able to keep his personal life separate from his presidency. You claim the attack in Sudan was just done to divert attention from the Lewinsky mess. What proof do you have of that?
Again, I challenge you to deal with each counterpoint. So far you haven't strayed from your one-sided, propaganda fueled appraoch.
You still haven't said where you come from and as a matter of fact I've seen your documentaries and so what? If Gadafi had not aided and abetted terrorism he wouldn't have been bombed end of that. A lot of innocent poor people always die when some slum lord oil dictator thinks he can take over the world and destroy or convert everyone to his rule. Some people just ain't going for it, and they will meet the same fate as innocent and the innocent and soon to be innocent who hide in among the innocent and everyone says oh woe is me. ive me a break if people would heed the warning and turn these jokers in you think they would have to tear up whole towns to get them to STOP shooting bombs at Israel? And if America is soo bad does that make the middle east so good? As a matter of fact, what good do they do themselves or the world where they can even say the U.S. is so bad.
scott, about gadafi that america was scared of him supporing terror did he come to america to kill he just had oil and some power over that and every thing is about oil, america imposed economic sanction on a lot of countries for bullies reasons , and for clinton it does not matter if he wanted to divert or no it just shows the power with disrespect to other countries america has, i talked to the people who lost relatives in that attack and it was senseless, in 11/9 those fanatic think it is justifiable because they lost close relative because of american policy what about what clinton did, it was without strong evidence and the response was oops we had info that was chemical weapons factory just like going into iraq again oops our info was wrong that is why i say america government is bully, they just say oops, and soviet union was powerful as america and communist. it all happened with gorbatchof who was duped ( i am not sure this is the right spelling) yes the soviet union was suffering financially but america's agenda was to destroy the competitor power even a previous secertray of the states wrote a book i am not sure what it is called but it has to do how to destroy communism, it was a battle between too powers and america wants to be the only power, gadafi was supported by the soviet union, and has weapons support from them that how america thought he had power and had to teach him a lesson actually it was simple as that, these r gadafi's words, if i say more i guess i gathered u will find your own excuse for american government, it is not about defending the past because no matter what u say or defend it happened and there r people know the truth first hand, by admitting and knowing the problem things could be fixed but by denying is not going to resolve any thing, wouldn't u be mad if some one try to make 9/11 less tragic or dispute the fact that innocent people died? at a personal level if some one come to u and say u did this to me and u cause me pain u think u would say u needed a lesson and i hope now u got it , u think that would stop that person from being angery and retaliate even in a bigger way when they get a chance and little power, deny someone's pain just because u r powerful and abusing it is not the answer, and what is going on with israel and plastine america's position is clearly biased, why would u think a 10 year old girl would be suicide bomber or u just brudh it off by saying she is just a little terrorist come on be fair and adn consistente in fairness and sympathey, and taltniman why would u want to know where part of the world i am from would is that relevant?
More propoganda. Gadafi sponsored several acts of terrorism against Americans. The Pan Am flight that crashed near Lockerbie, Scotland was just one of them. Economic sanctions were imposed by the UN, not just the US.
First you claim Clinton attacked the plant to divert attention, then you say that isn't the issue. But the plant was attacked because intelligence showed it was being used to make chemical weapons. It had nothing to do with disrespect. It was part of the war against terrorism. Granted we should have done a better job in confirming the intelligence, but if the terrorists weren't consistently on the attack, there wouldn't be a need to defend. And it goes back to what Talaniman has been saying. If the countries and the people within them, harbor the terrorists, then they are going to pay the consequences.
I have said, in other places, that I never supported the Iraq war. That's one of the few places you have some fact and reason to support your point. But then 9/11 directly led to the Iraq war. If it hadn't been for 9/11, Bush would have never gotten the support to do it.
Boy have you got it wrong. It was the publicly stated goal of the Soviet Union to bury the US and the west. Look up Kruschev. The only thing keeping the USSR from attacking the US was the balance of power. The USSR instigated many skirmishes during the Cold War. The USSR fell because communism had failed as an economic system. Thru the use of worldwide communications (specifically the Internet), Russian people began to see all the advantages of the west. They compared it to the little that had. The US contribution was simply to make information open to all. The Soviet Union collapsed on its own weight primarily from the inside. It was the Soviet Union that wanted to be the only world power, not the US. While there hae always been hawks in the US who feared the USSR, most people were perfectly willing to peacefully co-exist.
So, as I suspected you are being fed propaganda and are swallowing it hook, line and sinker. But you keep putting the cart before the horse. You seem to think that the US has committed some huge offense in the Arab world that justifies everything that follows. Yet you haven't been able to provide any clue of that.
Well I can tell you what it is. The US has supported Isreal. That's it, that's our big crime. The arabs have tried, on several occassions to bury Isreal and failed. Partially because of US support. So the arabs hate the US. that has led to their acts of terrorism.
let me tel u i was in ussr and i know how things were in term of communism dictator and how it was no life for them interms of having more money or even having a pair of american jeans they did not have colorful life like americans did so they wanted that andit was economic collapse but u will not deny that direct or indirect america has a hand into it after ussr collapse now there no balance in powerthe us can do whatever pleases and then oops it was not like that when ussr had power. the soviet union suppored alot of countries and these countries were a battle field between these two powers so there was war beside the cold one, u just want to have the US soo innocent in the collapse i think u just believe like in the movies america r the good guy and u will not believe any thing and gadafi was supported by soviet union just like the war in afganista it was a battle field for them, and the factory in sudan that factory was in the middle of a resident area so please do not tell me it was suspected, if it was then the CIA is child investigation, u keep denying any thing like i said u will defend if u even hear it first hand, and the un and anan became a joke they r maneuvered by the us all iam saying has nothing to do with the media i have been in all those countries
When are you going to read what I say? I did not deny that we had a hand in the USSR's collapse, I even mentioned part of what that hand was. I do deny that we did anything directly to bring it about. Sure the Sudan factory was located in a residential area. That is a typical terrorist tactic. Try to protect the assets because they beleive the US is too squeamish to attack in such an instance. Doesn't matter that they are putting innocent lives at risk!
Yes the USSR supported a lot of countries, but their demands for that support were a lot greater then where the US provided support. You don't talk about the USSR invasion of Afghanistan. What was the justification of that? At least the US had the pursuit of those behind 9/11 as justification.
No, I don't deny anytrhing you say, but you are spouting a load of half thruths, innuendo and propaganda. Notice that everytime I respond with actual truths, you have to back off a bit.
SHAHRAZAD, I would like to know what part of the world you are from to try and identify the terrorist cell you are in contact with and the dictator who feeds you the misinformation and propadanda you have so tirelessly been aspousing on this forum. Also in the laws of nature When the big DAWG walks down the street the little pups stay on the porch. Now get with the program and have an intelligent dialog and leave that spoon-fed rhetoric to the dummies who beleive it. I hope you grow up and find the truth for yourself and join the world community that whats peace, happiness, and respect. Till then just get your facts straight and use the computer you obviously have for a more constructive ppurpose than spewing garbage. And get the spelling right TALANIMAN!!!!!!!!
The engine to the spewing of the half truths and propaganda is that "yous guys" keep responding to it like it was a real debate ... look back and see the pattern for yourself:
Val,
I know you think we are feeding this by responding, but I think we are helping by debunking the propaganda. We probably will not be able to put a dent in Shahrizad's armor, but there may be other people, more open to truth, who may learn.
... look back and see the pattern for yourself:
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