gay/lesiban marriages

Sonador101 · May 29, 2008, 12:07 PM

hi i was wondering what you guys think about same sex marriages. i think that it is wrong beause of my religous values, because marriage was meant for men and women, also a million diseases can be transmitted through same sex marriages. its also weird, i know some people are gay, but it shouldn't be legal, like i say its wrong!
though i want to know what you guys say, if you are gay/lesbian i would love to hear what you think, also i would like to hear what people who are straight think, acually i want to hear everyones oppinion.
remember this is only my oppinion, but i want to here youirs

thanks

tomder55 · May 30, 2008, 07:12 AM

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If straight couples can get married without the blessing of the church and have the state support it then there is no logical reason that gay couples shouldn't be awarded the same courtesy.

most places that recognize civil unions address this equatably in my view. But in California the courts bizarrey ruled that it wasn't equitable unless the word "marriage " was attached to the union . Flawed logic if you ask me unless there is different motivation.

Sam DePecan · May 30, 2008, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sonador101

fr-chuck
if they want there (spouse) to inherit proberty they could write it up in a will,or somerting.

Ha! Tell me about it. It would also help too if one could predict the death of the spouse; and be prepared to face a group of lawyers that want to punish you for breathing on their planet. In other words, take it from someone who has experienced it already. It is not so much to do with "Marriage" as it is to do with "Attorneys Having Field Days" with your "Trust Fund" etc. What I am saying is this . . . If you are one who belongs to a "SPC" or Special Political Class then you are "protected" by the Law or "Protected Under The Law" in the USA. If someone pops off his mouth to you and you protect yourself and back-hand him, then you might teach the worm-brain a lesson. For sure, they will think twice about wise-mouthing a tax-paying citizen of the United States of America. However, if that person who bathes daily in "special rights and privileges" because he can make a court-of-law believe that he is afflicted with the highly-curable, highly-treatable mental condition known as HOMOSEXUALISM, then you may find yourself spending 25-years-to-LIFE in a Federal Penitentiary for slapping the dog-crap out of a punk that sucks you-know-whats! It's the law! The tax-paying, normal people have to get used to it. In fact, there are even more and more new-laws on the horizon. It has nothing to do with hating or defending one's rights here in America. It has nothing to do with Bigotry, or any other political money-making word that one can look up in the Webster's Dictionary. It has a lot to do with lawyers running amuck!! Someone needs to do something soon or else we are all going to suffer forever and ever. The bottom-line answer just may be another American Revolution.

Synnen · May 30, 2008, 01:23 PM

Highly-treatable?

And sorry--but I'm of the feeling that backhanding ANYONE is a good way to have assault slapped on your record, whether or not they are a protected class.

But--whatever. You're entitled to your feelings.

And lawyers only run amok because people sue others rather than taking personal responsibility for their OWN actions. For example, a person wouldn't have to go to court for assault if he or she just didn't HIT someone else, making lawyers not have a case to defend and a case to prosecute. Or if people just understood that coffee is HOT and you shouldn't put it in your lap when you're driving, then restaurants wouldn't be sued for selling a hot beverage the way it's supposed to be, negating the need for some idiot to get money they never earned, negating the need for lawyers on the case.

See my point?

It's not LAWYERS running amok. It's Americans that think they have the RIGHT to do whatever the heck they want. It's Americans believing that they can sue someone else every time they're not happy with something.

The lawyers are just profiting from people who refuse to actually take responsibility for their OWN actions.

Sam DePecan · May 30, 2008, 02:51 PM

No, I don’t. You over-paraphrased my point to such a high-extent, that I couldn’t even recognize that you were referencing my previous post. Here in the United States of America, citizens used to be allowed to defend themselves. There is a socialistic group that wants to destroy the Constitution of the United States. They figure that their best achievement would be to get in “door number two” as it is the 2nd Amendment to the said Constitution. But what they really want is the biggy @ door number one. Just following the Civil War, we had all of our rights in tact; unlike today. Especially the two Decades just following the Civil War. Ironically, the 3rd Decade was known as the Gay 90s. I am not kidding. Gay was a real word then with real meaning; like bicycles built for two . . . Not BI-sexuals, but bicycles. One of the things that lawyers have accomplished is finding a way to get involved in our lives; when they are not needed. If you are a married person, and your spouse passes away then they jump all over like a hungry spider on a sick fly! They bleed you for not because you were married but because your spouse died. They say that it’s possible for them to have fun with your personal life because you are now some kind of “Estate” or some such. I know, it’s enough to make you want to barf. Now, they will not be able to do such a thing to a special privileged group of homosexualist nuptual partners. That is because special laws have already been set in place to provide special protection to those who actually have nothing but an affliction of a “highly-treatable & highly-curable” mental illness; known as “HOMOSEXUALISM” . . . Which is presently cured much the same way as ALCOHOLISM is today. I know what you are going to say, “Then the cured patient wasn’t really an alcoholic anyway.” . . . Or “Then the cured patient wasn’t really a practicing homosexual anyway.” . . .You can apply that rule of judgment to just about anything. I know a guy who has beaten prostate cancer TWICE! Are you going to tell me, “Then he never really was afflicted with cancer.????” We need to really keep policticians and attorneys out of hospitals and we want have to be concerned about ruining the definition of MARRIAGE or hi-jacking any other ligitimate words in the dictionary.

Sonador101 · May 30, 2008, 04:52 PM

sam depecan
i am sorry yoiu have been mistreated by our goverment.

Synnen · May 31, 2008, 10:17 AM

See...this is where we differ.

I don't see homosexualism as a disease any more than I see people who are short as having a disease,or people who have blue eyes. I think it's part of who they ARE, not something that needs to be "cured".

Frankly, your attitude about that appalls me--Hitler thought that being a Jew was something that needed to be either "cured" or eradicated. See the parallel here?

As far as lawyers go--yup, you need them to decipher the law and to help you make sure you're NOT going to get screwed by the government. I agree that the federal government has way too much power--but I feel that the Christian right has way too much power too, and that's as specialized and protected a group as any minority--except they're in the MAJORITY and trying to force their values on those of us who are NOT Christian.

I don't think that asking for tolerance and equality is too much from the homosexual community. I mean--didn't blacks have to go through this same sort of mess in the 60s? Are you going to tell me that being BLACK makes you not as entitled to getting married or bearing arms or having a vote? Again, it comes back to the fact that YOU see it as a disease, and I see it as genetic makeup. Yes, they could probably be "cured" if they just never had sex again--but for anyone that expects THAT to be a solution, I hope you are cursed with impotency so that you can never have sex again, either.

Sam DePecan · May 31, 2008, 01:36 PM

Actually, where we differ is in your totally, totally evading the “ism” affliction that I referred to. You replaced THAT with some kind of 3rd Reich ideology of racial cleansing or some such. Obviously, you are what one might call being “normal phobic”. So be it. [Answer this: Would you be guilty of lying if you were hiding Jews in your closet when the Nazis buzzed your door and asked you . . . Thus, you denied??? Remember now, the topic here is “Are you really a truthful person?. . . NOT that you want to gas a race of people.] BTW, some short people do have a more serious problem related to the Thyroid Gland. The same may be stated about those who are over 7-feet tall, and still growing. Medical Science has to be extremely cautious about how they interfere; remember how they screwed up fertility a few years back; and now some women today are NOT giving birth to children, but instead are dropping litters of human animals?? [I guess you are going to accuse me of what now, drowning puppies when they haven’t even opened their eyes yet?] I was cursed @ the hospital (if you want to call it that) because we were pregnant 3-times in 4-years, and my wife was a workaholic. [Workaholics can be cured also. She passed away from Heart Disease prior to receiving her first treatment.] Thus, that is why I had my vasectomy; because she wanted to work out of maternity some of her life, and not just have babies. Would it have made you happy to know that I wasn’t castrated? That for sure, would cure Michael Jackson of his lovey-dovey problems that he has with Cub Scouts [NOT Brownies!!] I am not about to tell you that being black is going to keep you from marrying anyone. I’m white and married again . . . To another lovely Filipina. Obviously she is not black but she’s not white either. Both of my Grandfathers were “Squawmen” and my maternal grandmother was actually very, very much French Creole and oh-boy! Did she ever look like it too!! So, we have established the fact that your imagination which lead you to the gassing of the Jews and Black Weddings, etc. seems to be your apparent just-looking-at-words, but not reading thoughts. Yes, workaholics can be cured; alcoholics can be cured; and there are several homosexuals who have admitted that they have been treated and cured as well. It’s just that there is no political money in the cure. If you ask Je$$i Jack$on though, there is a lot of $,$$$,$$$,$$$.oo to be had out there in the Homo$exual Coalition. You can politicize “anything” … I have a paper clip that would love to marry my stapler. Why can’t they? Would you dare deny my paper clip and my stapler their right to their conjugal, nuptial freedom? How dare you! You said so yourself, it’s part of who they are! You paper bigot!!!

Synnen · May 31, 2008, 02:08 PM

/shrug

It all comes back to "who are they hurting by asking their love to have the same legal rights as anyone else's love?" to me.

I don't care WHAT people do as long as it is not hurting anyone else. Want to eat staples all day? GREAT!

And as far as your paperclip marrying your stapler (or whatever the hell stupid argument you put forth there)--if they could express to me without a human translator that that's what they want--who would it hurt? Sure! Let them marry! This is why the argument that people marrying pets is next would be shot down too--a pet couldn't express its preference. And we have laws to protect children from gay OR "straight" marriage.

But whatever. You're going to change my mind and make me believe that you're not just intolerant of other's choices, and I'm not goign to change your mind that you believe that I'm an overly tolerant person with poor morals.

0rphan · May 31, 2008, 03:04 PM

Such a lot of bitterness and anger here, and not without do cause in some cases.

This will always be an argument within society and it's various religious beliefs,sadly i don't think it will ever reach an agreeable conclusion.

I personally have no problem with it having worked with people who prefer their own sex as a partner, thats not to say that if i see any intimate behaviour, it does make me feel really uncomfortable, however i do believe that there are those that have been born into this world with a medical imbalance, maybe some thing has been wrong with the pregnancy or perhaps the mother was carrying some sort of inherited gene etc. etc..
which allows the new born, to be born into the wrong body......a girl as a boy or vic versa
Some thing to do with the makeup and developement with in the womb.

In this instant it is a medical condition that the person cannot help, just like any other unfortunate abnomality, in later life some people who recognise this, have their body changed to the person that they new they always were,others accept who they are hoping that society will do the same.

It does say one man to one woman in the bible so as far as religion goes it is never going to be right, but we are all the human race dispite our differences, wether it be gay, lesbion, disabled by one thing or another, black white , yellow etc.etc..... if all our imperfections were to be taken from us,we ,d all still be the same underneath.

If one human being cares deeply for another, no matter what their gender is that so wrong, don't you think there is enough hurt in this world, who are we to throw stones, we are not the judge or the jury and should live and let live as long as it does not harm anyone else i cannot see a problem.

Everyone should get on with their own life and mind their own businness



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