Seriously now, what is the problem with American Liberalism ??

Personally I can't see a problem with attempting to minimise the governments interference in with the populace or are, as seems to be the case, American Liberals attempting to subvert the overall nature of Liberalism ??

Am I being a naive Brit here ???

N0help4u

The media loves liberals
They think they are going to cure problems by promising more government which in major cities has only proven to create more problems
but do they see the connection?
Nah!
As my local DJ Quinn & Rose have said for years
Liberalism is thinking the only reason your plans failed is because you didn't get to do them long enough.
The fundamental difference between Liberals and Conservatives is - Liberals see every new life as a potential problem and a burden. Conservatives see every new life as a potential source of creativity and wealth. Allow me to elaborate a little bit on that. When your view of your responsibility to your fellow citizen is to take care of them through government planning and government force, every new person born becomes another mouth to feed another person to educate another burden on the states resources. If you are a liberal you believe that resources are limited and there is only so much to go around. You see yourself or government policy as the arbiters of who gets what. A conservative understands that new wealth is created every time human creativity acts on a resource and is unlimited.

A liberal says tax, tax, tax,
then the conservative business owner that is being taxed can't afford to hire the very ones their taxes support.

Curlyben

That being the case I'm misunderstanding what Liberalism in America is.
It is meant to be against overt government interference and the protection of people's rights.
I would hardly describe raising taxes as limiting interference ?!

NeedKarma

Wow, that`s the biggest load of propaganda I have read here in a while. Congrats!

N0help4u

Will wait for other liberals and conservatives have to say.
That is what I hear from the extremist conservatives '
and see with the democrats running things in my city.
Liberal Democrats do raise taxes to try and 'fix' things.

NeedKarma

How about this for a proposal. Curly offered a definition of liberalism. We can post a dictionary definition of conservatism as well.
The extreme sides of both are will get bandied about here as an excuse to demean the other side; this happened form the very first post here. Is there any way to answer this without insulting those of the 'other faith' (because this stuff is like religion in the US)?

N0help4u

sure I LOVE IT
Conservatives seem more out for me, me, me and while they say they want to make a difference they trample others to get what they want like power and money hungry.

Both sides are do as I say and not as I do.

I see definitely see liberals wanting more government, more programs, more taxes and more laws.


The dictionary definition I am for

con·ser·va·tive (kn-sûrv-tv)
adj.
1. Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
2. Traditional or restrained in style: a conservative dark suit.
3. Moderate; cautious: a conservative estimate.
4.
a. Of or relating to the political philosophy of conservatism.
b. Belonging to a conservative party, group, or movement.
5. Conservative Of or belonging to the Conservative Party in the United Kingdom or the Progressive Conservative Party in Canada.
6. Conservative Of or adhering to Conservative Judaism.
7. Tending to conserve; preservative: the conservative use of natural resources.
n.
1. One favoring traditional views and values.
2. A supporter of political conservatism.
3. Conservative A member or supporter of the Conservative Party in the United Kingdom or the Progressive Conservative Party in Canada.
4. Archaic A preservative agent or principle.

But that isn't necessarily the real world is it?

ordinaryguy

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy: that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." --John Kenneth Galbraith

tomder55

Well I would argue that liberalism in the US has been on a progressive march leftward since the days of Roosevelt ;and with the exception of a few moments of the tide ebbing has been expanding the role of the government ever since.

Curly ,liberalism in the USA has morphed into progressive quasi socialism . The closest comparison to Britian I would guess is your Labour party but your center of gravity began further left than ours did.

What you gave as a definition of liberalism is better called classic liberalism .As Wikipedia writes Modern liberalism, which favors government intervention in some cases, takes a different approach to economics from classical liberalism, which favors a pure free market.

The agendas of European social liberals and modern American liberals seem to to be identical.Left of center on social issues and an ever increasing expansive intervention in the economy and growth of government services. ...what I call the nanny-state . It serves to create an ever dependent on the government populace.

ms williams

we should use taxes to "fix things" instead of borrow more money from china and sudia arabia. they own us! we should pay our own way (taxes) not continue to put ourselves in debt to other countries.